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Re:The Boring Company FAQ by rmason on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @01:47AM (#14355955)
One of the reasons that subways are built only in very large cities is that you need a very high population density to make it worthwhile because of the cost of digging the tunnels.

But what if the cost were a tenth as much? I posit that for a city of 500,000 - 1,000,000 it might become practical to have subways and that radically changes the transit equation.

So I am very bullish on Musk bringing down the cost of tunneling. It all depends on how low he's able to reduce the cost.

Re:The Boring Company FAQ by prawn on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @02:02AM (#14356009)
I've got confidence in them too. I think internet commenters are far too quick to overlook the fact that Musk is not going to push forward a venture like this without loads of research from a team of really smart people. It's not like it's just the one Elon with a fantasy about tunnels. It'd start with a bunch of talented people brainstorming and then, early in the process, they'd surely be speaking with really knowledgeable people who know the industry and pitfalls.

If smart and motivated teams can't do something, can anyone?

With something like soil, maybe they figure the technology will be useful even if it only services projects with easy terrain and environments and avoids areas with swamps.

Re:The Boring Company FAQ by aedron on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @04:04AM (#14356469)
> Musk is not going to push forward a venture like this without loads of research from a team of really smart people. It's not like it's just the one Elon with a fantasy about tunnels. It'd start with a bunch of talented people brainstorming and then, early in the process, they'd surely be speaking with really knowledgeable people who know the industry and pitfalls.

Actually, the story is that Musk made it up on a whim while stuck in L.A. traffic, founded the company the same day and bought a used drilling rig which started digging in the Tesla parking lot.

Re:The Boring Company FAQ by prawn on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @06:07AM (#14357017)
OK, it'd start with a user frustrated by a problem, then go to brainstorming with colleagues/employees/peers/friends and then go to industry experts and hires with direct experience. ;)

Really the main difference is that someone without money and follow through would've just sat in traffic and complained.

Re:The Boring Company FAQ by ant6n on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @09:42AM (#14358292)
Follow through = billions in the bank and oodles of connections
Re:The Boring Company FAQ by jnicholasp on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @12:49PM (#14360246)
You're implying that Musk's "follow through" is a result of his money and connections, when the reverse is true.

Yes, of course, now that he has money, connections, and a powerful reputation, that makes it easier for him to do things. But he created the money, connections, and power by being able to do things even when he had none of them.

Re:The Boring Company FAQ by prawn on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @08:48PM (#14364074)
Obviously that eases the process but some people follow through and some don't. Some have big dreams and some just invest for themselves only. I can think of loads of rich people who aren't out there starting companies to push forward space exploration, car technology, tunnelling machines, etc. He has pretty serious runs on the board now.
Re:The Boring Company FAQ by petra on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @09:39AM (#14358274)
Same as the Hyperloop story. Just that the Hyperloop story wasn't true, it was really conceived by Et3.

And in general - entrepreneur "origin" stories are often bullshit - useful to get go PR, that's it.

Re:The Boring Company FAQ by schiffern on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @02:12PM (#14361123)
>the Hyperloop story wasn't true, it was really conceived by Et3

You might want to look at them closer. Hyperloop and ET3 are very different from a technical perspective, even though they're superficially similar.

ET3 tubes need 1/1,000,000th of an atmosphere to mitigate the sonic boom, and that makes the pumping requirements exceedingly hard (requiring multi-stage pumping with turbo- and cryo-pumps). That also means ET3 has a higher top speed, assuming you can secure the right-of-way to satisfy the minimum curve radius.

Hyperloop tubes use 1/1,000th of an atmosphere, chosen because it's the lowest pressure achievable with purely mechanical pumping. They then route air around the pod, allowing them to approach the speed of sound despite the fact that air has to speed up as it squeezes around the pod (aka the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kantrowitz_Limit).

So ET3's pumps see basically the same differential pressure, but 1,000x more volume needs to be pumped per m^3 of air that leaks in. This means the Hyperloop requires less pumping power, fewer pump units, uses only cheap mechanical pumps, and can tolerate more air leakage than ET3. This is a big win, since the tube is the expensive part.

Re:The Boring Company FAQ by dagenleg on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @04:20AM (#14356545)
Yes, smart people are magic. Doesn't matter how much sense the idea itself makes, one only needs to ship it off to those 'motivated talented people', they will figure everything out.
Re:The Boring Company FAQ by TeMPOraL on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @05:22AM (#14356810)
Indeed they are. As any experience with anything remotely more complicated than building a cube out of Lego bricks should tell you. For any practical problem there are many ways to address it that may not seem obvious in the first five seconds of looking at it.
Re:The Boring Company FAQ by baq on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @09:13AM (#14358052)
machines heavier than air will never fly, obviously.

let's judge the outcome - or lack of it - when they fold or succeed.

Re:The Boring Company FAQ by luca_ing on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @09:59AM (#14358468)
> I posit that for a city of 500,000 - 1,000,000 it might become practical to have subways and that radically changes the transit equation.

Cities of 500000 inhabitants which have a subway exist. See

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%BCrnberg

Re:The Boring Company FAQ by shadeless on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @10:51AM (#14358950)
It's worth mentioning that the smallest city with a rapid transit system (2 metro lines, 28 stations) has a population of only 135,629.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lausanne

Re:The Boring Company FAQ by macNchz on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @01:41PM (#14360800)
Lausanne recently took the smallest-city-with-a-subway title from Rennes, France (214k).

My family is from Lausanne and I spent a few months studying in Rennes–the size and density plus the metro system makes these cities really pleasingly 'human scaled' in my view. Walking-first center city areas with lots of restaurants/shops, easily accessed from less dense areas by metro+good bus systems+intercity train, but small enough overall to not feel sprawling.

Re:The Boring Company FAQ by mrsuprawsm on Wednesday May 17, 2017 @08:10AM (#14357605)
Many European cities of such sizes already do have subways.