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Re:U.S. To Ban Laptops in All Cabins of Flights from Europe by tim333 on Thursday May 11, 2017 @02:43AM (#14314220)
That's a bit of a pain. I wonder why a laptop bomb would cause problems in the cabin but not in the cargo hold.
Re:U.S. To Ban Laptops in All Cabins of Flights from Europe by cstejerean on Thursday May 11, 2017 @02:51AM (#14314253)
A laptop bomb would presumably be fairly small in size and would probably have to be placed directly against some sensitive part of the plane in order to be effective. The cargo hold meanwhile is already reinforced and any bomb would most likely end up in a middle of a lot of baggage that would absorb most of the blast. It would probably force the plane to make an emergency landing but it's unlikely to be catastrophic.
Re:U.S. To Ban Laptops in All Cabins of Flights from Europe by enraged_camel on Thursday May 11, 2017 @03:02AM (#14314298)
The risk with laptops in the cargo hold isn't the blast force of explosions causing a hull breach, but fires. Now any terrorist who wants to bring down a plane simply needs to rig their laptop batteries to catch on fire, which is much, much easier to do than rigging it to explode.
Re:U.S. To Ban Laptops in All Cabins of Flights from Europe by tim333 on Thursday May 11, 2017 @03:41AM (#14314415)
Looking at a youtube video of a laptop battery fire https://youtu.be/pizFsY0yjss?t=3m15s

I find it hard to see that taking out the metal box http://www.eyeno.net/2007/07/15/american-airlines-paul-bunya...

and then the plane.

Re:U.S. To Ban Laptops in All Cabins of Flights from Europe by dom0 on Thursday May 11, 2017 @04:00AM (#14314482)
These boxes are probably aluminium, which should be ignitable by another metal-fire.
Re:U.S. To Ban Laptops in All Cabins of Flights from Europe by ulrikrasmussen on Thursday May 11, 2017 @03:12AM (#14314320)
Doesn't planes have automated extinguishers in the cargo hull? I actually don't know, but it is something I would assume.
Re:U.S. To Ban Laptops in All Cabins of Flights from Europe by manicdee on Thursday May 11, 2017 @03:34AM (#14314393)
Batteries contain their own oxidiser and fuel, so the only way of extinguishing a better fire is to remove the heat (fire triangle: fuel, oxidiser, heat).

The best lay-person's method for extinguishing battery fires is flooding with cold water, which will be hard on an airplane at the best of times.

Re:U.S. To Ban Laptops in All Cabins of Flights from Europe by tgummerer on Thursday May 11, 2017 @03:17AM (#14314345)
The article goes into more details on that. Basically the fire extinguishers are not powerful enough against lithium-ion battery fires.
Re:U.S. To Ban Laptops in All Cabins of Flights from Europe by grey-area on Thursday May 11, 2017 @04:15AM (#14314536)
Here's a video of a lithium battery fire in a cargo hold, as you can see it causes an explosion and swiftly a fire that burns the entire compartment. If you imagine every checked in bag containing a laptop, you'd get a similar effect if you rig one to catch fire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kd0EzQaEiZQ

Re:U.S. To Ban Laptops in All Cabins of Flights from Europe by pdkl95 on Thursday May 11, 2017 @07:18AM (#14315210)
Note that the video claims it's 5000 Li+ batteries. It's hard to tell from the video, but it looks like it was ~4 boxes filled with only the batteries. Even a large pile of laptops (no bags) would have a hard time making the explosion[1] in the video. If you separated each battery+laptop into separate bags, the density of Li is so low a single battery burning/exploding may not even reach the other batteries.

[1] obviously a fire is still possible, even with a single battery

Re:U.S. To Ban Laptops in All Cabins of Flights from Europe by grey-area on Tuesday May 16, 2017 @09:09AM (#14349229)
Yes I guess it would only contain a few hundred laptops if they force all into the hold. I imagine a fire is quite possible though from a rigged laptop (or just an accident) and impossible to put out, unlike a fire in the cabin.
Re:U.S. To Ban Laptops in All Cabins of Flights from Europe by vivekd on Thursday May 11, 2017 @03:34AM (#14314397)
This was answered and discussed at length in the article

>The battery bombs would need to be manually triggered, a source explained, which is why the electronics ban is only for the aircraft cabin not checked luggage.

Obviously stuff in the cabin are much easier to access and manually manipulate than stuff in the cargo hold. Im also very disappointed at the slew of other answers and their up-voters who clearly did not read the article.

Re:U.S. To Ban Laptops in All Cabins of Flights from Europe by tallanvor on Thursday May 11, 2017 @04:48AM (#14314678)
A bomb that size would be very unlikely to take down a plane (remember, blowing a hole in the fuselage doesn't cause people to fly out, despite what the movies show), so it seems the most likely use for it would be to try and blow open the door to the cockpit so they can take over the plane.

Regardless, though, it's incredibly stupid for the US to even consider this ban. The chances of success are extremely small compared to the headaches this will cause.

Re:U.S. To Ban Laptops in All Cabins of Flights from Europe by mootothemax on Thursday May 11, 2017 @02:59AM (#14314285)
>That's a bit of a pain. I wonder why a laptop bomb would cause problems in the cabin but not in the cargo hold.

Bags in the cabin can be put right next to the "skin" of the plane; when in the cargo hold, it's much more of a lottery.

(That's what I've read at least, I'm not too familiar with cargo holds myself.)

Re:U.S. To Ban Laptops in All Cabins of Flights from Europe by emptybits on Thursday May 11, 2017 @02:54AM (#14314267)
A bomb hidden in the cargo hold is effective if the intent is to simply blow up the plane by timer/remote/altitude. But if the goal is to hijack the plane, then a bomb in hand could be a more convincing negotiation tool.
Re:U.S. To Ban Laptops in All Cabins of Flights from Europe by ithkuil on Thursday May 11, 2017 @03:19AM (#14314351)
How to you convince the crew that the laptop you're holding is actually a bomb?
Re:U.S. To Ban Laptops in All Cabins of Flights from Europe by mcv on Thursday May 11, 2017 @04:13AM (#14314533)
Display a scary bomb image with timer on the screen, of course.