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Re:Is the gig economy working? by eli_gottlieb on Tuesday May 09, 2017 @08:26AM (#14299400)
Absolutely not. "Working" would require at least something to go well: well-compensated workers, high profits, technical innovation, a diversified market -- something! Instead we've got 1099 contractors making barely minimum wage, lawsuits instead of self-driving cars, local taxi companies being driven out of business. And to top it all off, the "unicorns" like Uber are not even profitable. It's just VCs spending their own money to wreck up existing markets instead of creating a viable business.
Re:Is the gig economy working? by fullshark on Tuesday May 09, 2017 @08:49AM (#14299519)
It's working alright for consumers
Re:Is the gig economy working? by eli_gottlieb on Tuesday May 09, 2017 @09:30AM (#14299790)
Charity from VCs to consumers isn't viable long-term.
Re:Is the gig economy working? by existencebox on Tuesday May 09, 2017 @11:32AM (#14300862)
Someone with a broader view on the long term success of VC than I have needs to chime in, but although I agree with your earlier statements, you made me think twice about this one.

What if it IS a viable long term strategy? VC was always "moonshots", 9 out of 10 fail, 1 goes big. While Uber is having issues, I've been hearing the profitibility issue raised for years now. Other startups, while not doing necessarily unicorn-esque in the "real world", have still IPOd or sold off. I imagine the VC's aren't idiots, if they looked at their balance sheets and saw a trend of throwing money into a bonfire they would have stopped a long time back. Are we breaking even? (I honestly don't know.) If we are, then perhaps the consumer 'charities' are a new norm for userbase building, for one strata of company growth strategy. "want to grow faster, throw money at it" has always been a technique, and I see the charity as just a new way of spending that money to gain userbase. The relevant question is whether it's more or less effective than prior/future methods.

Re:Is the gig economy working? by eli_gottlieb on Tuesday May 09, 2017 @12:21PM (#14301312)
That would be, in its own way, even more messed-up for the economy as a whole. It would mean we're steadily replacing democratically-governed public services and market-governed businesses with VC's decisions about where to provide a "service" by throwing good money after bad.

I should be able to catch a ride somewhere without relying on the philanthropy and good-will of some rich dude.

Re:Is the gig economy working? by existencebox on Tuesday May 09, 2017 @02:28PM (#14302640)
As an observation, your dystopia sounds like the grand vision of many politicians I've heard trumpeting privatization and philanthropy replacing social programs over the years. (However, I would mete the latter part of your AND (market governed) that VC is only a small part of the grander market, and their spending habits are (potentially, although I'd say likely) probably limited to their strata. Normal businesses are by nature not in the business of making these sorts of gambles at a scale to which it starts paying off.)
Re:Is the gig economy working? by asdfjlkasdf88 on Tuesday May 09, 2017 @06:07PM (#14304227)
> steadily replacing democratically-governed public services

That's exactly what politicians and wealthy are calling for, very plainly and in the open. Not JUST VC's calling the shots, but the wealthy elite in general.

They own all the IP, we focus on making products they think will do best, we vote for their candidates...

Welcome to the real world.

Re:Is the gig economy working? by eli_gottlieb on Wednesday May 10, 2017 @01:22PM (#14309881)
I realize. There's a solution I can propose, too. It starts with "s" and ends with "eizing the means of production".
Re:Is the gig economy working? by Apocryphon on Tuesday May 09, 2017 @04:16PM (#14303450)
Sounds like someone should find a way to disrupt VC.
Re:Is the gig economy working? by wyqydsyq on Tuesday May 09, 2017 @10:34PM (#14305536)
Why would anyone expect a unicorn focusing on growth to make a profit?

Once investments dry up you'll see Uber start to focus on profitability and reducing waste, until then they're 100% focused on expansion and disruption, which is pretty expensive and doesn't really make revenue.

Re:Is the gig economy working? by gdulli on Tuesday May 09, 2017 @11:08AM (#14300665)
Don't forget the workers' lack of access to health care in a post-ACA world.
Re:Is the gig economy working? by notfromhere on Tuesday May 09, 2017 @11:30AM (#14300846)
It's set up a bunch of middle men, but undercuts local businesses and leads to a lot of desperate and impoverished workers. When you create a just-in-time labor system, this creates a huge amount of stress for workers, as their hours and wages are unpredictable. This is fine if you don't need the money or are just supplementing a full-time income. But you can't live that existence if you have fixed bills and want to have a stable middle-class existence
Re:Is the gig economy working? by thatwebdude on Tuesday May 09, 2017 @10:36AM (#14300354)
I feel like the gig economy would work better in a socialized healthcare system.
Re:Is the gig economy working? by SomeStupidPoint on Tuesday May 09, 2017 @11:07AM (#14300653)
Most economies do, since it reduces friction and allows workers to better allocate labor across the market.

Socialized healthcare, and more broadly social safety nets and services, lubricate the economy to prevent labor movement friction from causing inefficiency.

Re:Is the gig economy working? by camillomiller on Tuesday May 09, 2017 @06:45AM (#14298925)
I'll go with Betteridge's law of headlines: NO.