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This concern for the survival of a particular corporation is just as arbitrary as your questioning where they drew their arbitrary lines around DIY operations.

80% of the Fortune 500 list in the 1960s is gone. Survival is not guaranteed of any of company. So why get so worried about it?

You know why they do it that way? Because the people there decided to.

What's more self-parodying? People on here grousing about the issues of our society, only to lean into more capitalism and VC/startup life?

Or people deciding to bike their food "several miles" for their own reasons?

I get you. Keynes is often distilled as, for better or worse, "Go shopping." My jump off point is usually there when talking to folks in meatspace.

But yeah, it could mean spend more on bridges, universities, or jewel studded iPhone cases.

That's how my grandpa lived: A life full of fleeting moments now in exchange for shellshock when 65 arrived.

Given the reluctance of our culture to show care and concern for people in general, I'm not too psyched about getting to the end and needing a handout.

Perhaps we should rethink the under pinnings of our culture rather than continue pushing "excessive material consumption"?

Seems strange to live on the notions of man who lived before today's environmental concerns became cause for alarm.

You have an ability to raise the dead no one else knows about?

Or technology to scrub co2 from the air?

> steadily replacing democratically-governed public services

That's exactly what politicians and wealthy are calling for, very plainly and in the open. Not JUST VC's calling the shots, but the wealthy elite in general.

They own all the IP, we focus on making products they think will do best, we vote for their candidates...

Welcome to the real world.

Anecdotally, part of the reason why is the lawyers I've talked to don't feel like FSF have offered enough clarification regarding legal concerns, and the hostility of the community.

When the community will burn you to the ground for inadvertently shipping a binary without code, even after you've apologized and shipped the code, why would legal want to bother with them?

There's been half a dozen knee-jerk $XYZ Corp is in gross violation of the GPL! headlines here, only for the conversation to go "No, they're not. Go away."

Look at the SystemD thing and countless other situations. The mantra is "open and welcome and use our stuff!" Then they go all Walter if you slip a toe over the line.

Neckbeards need to get that they're responsible for the apprehension. It's another form of tribalism. You either need to be perfect in how you fit in, never err, or we'll figuratively tear you a new one.

most != all

And one counter-example isn't enough refutation.

not saying i believe either of you. just saying, language matters.