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Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by sillysaurus3 on Sunday May 07, 2017 @11:29PM (#14289047)
Out of the five places I've worked, four had female assistants. I've interviewed at many more places with female secretaries.

Rather than "Why are assistants conflated with women?" a more interesting question is "Why do assistants tend to be women?" (If my experience is average.)

I don't really know the answer, but I hope it's not a controversial question, since I'm genuinely curious about the forces involved.

Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by rayiner on Monday May 08, 2017 @12:31AM (#14289262)
> "Why do assistants tend to be women?"

Lots of reasons, but a major one is that until relatively recently that's one of the jobs they were permitted to have: http://scholarship.law.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?artic.... In the legal world, for example, law firms openly rejected top applicants solely because they were women well into the 1970s.

People tend to think of that time as ancient history, but it's not. C and UNIX were developed in the late 1960s and are still the bedrock of the Internet. Why should we expect social phenomena would move faster than computing technologies?

Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by SilasX on Monday May 08, 2017 @12:58PM (#14293396)
There was a Mad Men scene (S5E01 I think) where the firm advertises that they're equal opportunity, and when a bunch of black applicants queue up, the hiring manager says to them (paraphrasing), "Yes, you heard right, we're equal opportunity and do hire blacks. But our only openings are for secretaries, so the men can leave."

That is, he's progressive enough to hire non-whites, but still doesn't think men can be secretaries. (In fairness, they probably wouldn't have wanted the role anyway.)

Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by ikeyany on Sunday May 07, 2017 @11:53PM (#14289132)
A mix of (1) women are more aesthetically pleasing, (2) women are socialized to fill the supporting role, and (3) systems are generally resistant to change, even over centuries.

I don't think any of those observations are very controversial.

Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by goseeastarwar on Sunday May 07, 2017 @11:56PM (#14289136)
You're concerned about controversy, because the origin is clearly sexist. Men running businesses wanted attractive women welcoming visitors (ie. other men) and helping them with tasks around the office.

The continuing problem is this hasn't changed much at all in the last half century. For example, you will not find one unattractive receptionist at any VC office on Sand Hill Rd.

Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by duncan_bayne on Monday May 08, 2017 @12:03AM (#14289160)
> I understand that beauty is subjective

It's not, really: displays of health, wealth, leisure are pretty much common. Youth and fertility for women. Status and wealth for men. Body symmetry.

My layperson's understanding is that some of the specifics can be contextual to a particular time and culture, but the principles are universal, and so are a good number of the specifics.

Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by goseeastarwar on Monday May 08, 2017 @12:06AM (#14289172)
I edited that line out, because it was superfluous. It's clear why these individuals were hired, in addition to being great at their job.
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Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by lacampbell on Sunday May 07, 2017 @11:53PM (#14289128)
making jokes with his mates about who wears the pants

Oh god those men terrify me. Often the same men who joke about doing unpaid overtime and not getting any raises. It's a constant reminder that you have to stand up for yourself in life, or no one will respect you.