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Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by tabeth on Sunday May 07, 2017 @11:22PM (#14289029)
The article literally says, verbatim "...Date Your Digital Assistant." However, the only mention of a "boyfriend' is referring to Siri's deflection of such questions in a stereotypically Siri-esque manner. Even the current (now former) title, "Meet the $2,700 A.I. Girlfriend" suggests that A.I's are generally women.

- Cortana

- Alexa

- Siri

- Google Assistant

With the majority of the major players giving their intelligent assistants names that are most likely going to be associated with a woman, is it any surprise?

The real question is -- why are A.I. assistants conflated with women? I think you know the answer. In any case, this trend in "digital assistants" being named after women is no surprise, but disturbing nonetheless.

Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by shpx on Monday May 08, 2017 @12:20AM (#14289215)
This got me thinking about what a genderless voice would sound like.

I can see some parallels between that question and print vs hand writing[0]. Print is genderless, but not by design. A computer can produce more sounds more precisely than a human, could we invent a way of converting text to sound that could take advantage of that in some way?

[0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8961315 https://dabamirror.sci-hub.cc/ba3402de799822a492cbb9f42a2fe3... 78% accuracy in sexing hand writing from a single word.

Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by sillysaurus3 on Sunday May 07, 2017 @11:29PM (#14289047)
Out of the five places I've worked, four had female assistants. I've interviewed at many more places with female secretaries.

Rather than "Why are assistants conflated with women?" a more interesting question is "Why do assistants tend to be women?" (If my experience is average.)

I don't really know the answer, but I hope it's not a controversial question, since I'm genuinely curious about the forces involved.

Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by rayiner on Monday May 08, 2017 @12:31AM (#14289262)
> "Why do assistants tend to be women?"

Lots of reasons, but a major one is that until relatively recently that's one of the jobs they were permitted to have: http://scholarship.law.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?artic.... In the legal world, for example, law firms openly rejected top applicants solely because they were women well into the 1970s.

People tend to think of that time as ancient history, but it's not. C and UNIX were developed in the late 1960s and are still the bedrock of the Internet. Why should we expect social phenomena would move faster than computing technologies?

Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by SilasX on Monday May 08, 2017 @12:58PM (#14293396)
There was a Mad Men scene (S5E01 I think) where the firm advertises that they're equal opportunity, and when a bunch of black applicants queue up, the hiring manager says to them (paraphrasing), "Yes, you heard right, we're equal opportunity and do hire blacks. But our only openings are for secretaries, so the men can leave."

That is, he's progressive enough to hire non-whites, but still doesn't think men can be secretaries. (In fairness, they probably wouldn't have wanted the role anyway.)

Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by ikeyany on Sunday May 07, 2017 @11:53PM (#14289132)
A mix of (1) women are more aesthetically pleasing, (2) women are socialized to fill the supporting role, and (3) systems are generally resistant to change, even over centuries.

I don't think any of those observations are very controversial.

Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by goseeastarwar on Sunday May 07, 2017 @11:56PM (#14289136)
You're concerned about controversy, because the origin is clearly sexist. Men running businesses wanted attractive women welcoming visitors (ie. other men) and helping them with tasks around the office.

The continuing problem is this hasn't changed much at all in the last half century. For example, you will not find one unattractive receptionist at any VC office on Sand Hill Rd.

Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by duncan_bayne on Monday May 08, 2017 @12:03AM (#14289160)
> I understand that beauty is subjective

It's not, really: displays of health, wealth, leisure are pretty much common. Youth and fertility for women. Status and wealth for men. Body symmetry.

My layperson's understanding is that some of the specifics can be contextual to a particular time and culture, but the principles are universal, and so are a good number of the specifics.

Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by goseeastarwar on Monday May 08, 2017 @12:06AM (#14289172)
I edited that line out, because it was superfluous. It's clear why these individuals were hired, in addition to being great at their job.
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Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by lacampbell on Sunday May 07, 2017 @11:53PM (#14289128)
making jokes with his mates about who wears the pants

Oh god those men terrify me. Often the same men who joke about doing unpaid overtime and not getting any raises. It's a constant reminder that you have to stand up for yourself in life, or no one will respect you.

Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by sandworm101 on Monday May 08, 2017 @12:14AM (#14289198)
There is some science behind this. Studies have shown that people, both men and women, react differently to a female voice. Sometimes that reaction can make a real difference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx7-yvXf6f8

Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by marak830 on Monday May 08, 2017 @12:29AM (#14289254)
I was writing voice assist for star citizen(3rd party), I made sure I had both male and female. It bugs me that a)you can't call these 'assistants' by different names and b) they are always female.

Btw male here, but seriously, it's 2017, can we get a little customisability in this area?

Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by helthanatos on Sunday May 07, 2017 @11:46PM (#14289102)
A good reason for digital assistants being women is that a lot of people find feminine voices soothing. I personally find male voices to be more relaxing.
Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by SBCRec on Sunday May 07, 2017 @11:27PM (#14289040)
"The real question is -- why are A.I. assistants conflated with women? I think you know the answer."

Whats the answer?

The creators prefer a woman's voice? Sexism? Variance?

Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by telesilla on Sunday May 07, 2017 @11:33PM (#14289059)
Cultural expectations in the real world.

Wired:why are voice interfaces female

https://www.wired.com/2015/10/why-siri-cortana-voice-interfa...

Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by SBCRec on Sunday May 07, 2017 @11:34PM (#14289064)
Thanks for the link! I probably should have just googled it.
Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by kens on Monday May 08, 2017 @01:22AM (#14289425)
A related issue is the voice used in aircraft warning systems. Different aircraft use a male voice (Boeing, Airbus) or female voice (McDonnell Douglas). There's various contradictory research on whether a male or female voice is better. For a long discussion, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitching_Betty
Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by tjalfi on Monday May 08, 2017 @12:09AM (#14289181)
Here are the two studies that are quoted by most of the articles on this topic.

The first is Does social desirability bias favor humans? Explicit–implicit evaluations of synthesized speech support a new HCI model of impression management[0]. This study found that both men and women interpret female voices as warmer.

The second is Are Computers Gender-Neutral? Gender Stereotypic Responses to Computers[1]. This study found that male voices are preferred when discussing computers and female voices are preferred when discussing relationships.

[0] http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.669...

[1] http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.536...

Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by scottlocklin on Monday May 08, 2017 @12:34AM (#14289277)
The warning voice in the B-58 hustler was made female because studies found fighter pilots pay more attention to female voices under stressful situations. There is an obvious "lol" reason for this, but the reality might just be the human ear can hear female pitched voices better when there are distracting noises. Deep voices are often difficult to hear.
Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by fratlas on Sunday May 07, 2017 @11:28PM (#14289045)
Sexism: Siri's secretary-like, menial role is still marketed with a woman's voice.
Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by sago on Sunday May 07, 2017 @11:48PM (#14289112)
An observation, not a disagreement:

While P.A.s are stereotypically female in culture (e.g. Most often in films, novels, TV shows). 'High-value' assistants in several cultural contexts are usually portrayed as male: maitre d's, butlers, concierges.

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Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by wahnfrieden on Sunday May 07, 2017 @11:50PM (#14289121)
Unpack another layer or two - why do you interpret that to be more pleasant. It may be more socialized than you think at first glance. That's the problem with "for me"isms: you're just expressing climatized bias.
Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by nilkn on Monday May 08, 2017 @01:06AM (#14289377)
As a straight male, my answer is dead simple: female voices are attractive, pleasant, and comforting to me in large part because I experience romantic attraction exclusively towards women.

I can't speak for non-heterosexual men or for women on this question though.

Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by dTal on Monday May 08, 2017 @11:14AM (#14292201)
How confident are you of this introspection? Might it not rather be (for example) that female voices are evocative of motherhood?

Speaking for myself, while I would prefer a high-pitched voice for a digital assistant (male or female - Data sounds friendlier than HAL, for instance), I would prefer it not to be sexualised. Can't say for sure until I've tried it, but I think it would be disturbing if a computer attempted to flirt with me.

Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by fratlas on Sunday May 07, 2017 @11:44PM (#14289099)
I actually would agree with that, I'm just answering why it might be construed as a problem. Women's voices are also clearer in high noise environments.
Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by jessaustin on Sunday May 07, 2017 @11:51PM (#14289122)
Women's voices are often harder to understand for those who have lost sensitivity to high octaves. That is a typical pattern of hearing loss for older people, both women and men. Of course the ridiculous fashion in which some people choose to speak exacerbates this, but it would be a mistake to assume that such people aren't hired to answer phones.
Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by dragonwriter on Tuesday May 09, 2017 @02:00AM (#14298022)
> The real question is -- why are A.I. assistants conflated with women?

Because men and women both respond better to women. This is true of interactions with people, it's true of disembodied voices that they know are backed by computer programs, it's true of images on magazine covers, it's true, well, basically everywhere.

Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by Eliezer on Sunday May 07, 2017 @11:39PM (#14289081)
It seems to me that a majority of AIs across a wide variety of fiction are female. Including quite powerful ones.
Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by panzer_wyrm on Sunday May 07, 2017 @11:54PM (#14289133)
Leave Shodan and Glados alone!
Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by peteretep on Monday May 08, 2017 @12:23AM (#14289226)
I have a vague memory that some UK regional accents are considered to be more trustworthy, and are used in call-centers. I wonder if there's are related effects for female voices.
Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by arjie on Monday May 08, 2017 @01:35AM (#14289457)
The default UK Siri voice is male. Considering that no one is alleging that the UK is less sexist or less interested in voices being pleasant, this is a good sanity check for any explanation on the gender of voices.
Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by devoply on Sunday May 07, 2017 @11:40PM (#14289086)
For the voice my personal experience is that it sounded the best to me. I used Ivona's, now AWS Poly, Amy UK voice. It sounds great as close to a real person as I could get at the time.
Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by Mandatum on Monday May 08, 2017 @03:58AM (#14289957)
J.A.R.V.I.S (re-imagined as AI for Iron Man movies) is the only one I can think of, and Alfred App for OSX in a similar role (no voice, but name of digital "assistant").
Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by RugnirViking on Monday May 08, 2017 @07:20AM (#14290680)
> J.A.R.V.I.S (re-imagined as AI for Iron Man movies)

Apologies for the ignorance, but what was he in the comics?

Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by Mandatum on Tuesday May 09, 2017 @01:55AM (#14298007)
He was an actual butler.
Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by panzer_wyrm on Monday May 08, 2017 @12:02AM (#14289154)
Because calling your assistant jeeves means you are the wooster drone.

On a serious note - a female voice is extremely pleasing. Male voice puts you instantly into play social status games mode.

Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by peteretep on Monday May 08, 2017 @12:25AM (#14289234)

    > Male voice puts you instantly into
    > play social status games mode
I suspect that's just one facet of adult males representing a lot more danger than adult females.
Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by Girlang on Sunday May 07, 2017 @11:47PM (#14289108)
You can change Siri to be a man's voice in the U.S., as I did.
Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by c22 on Monday May 08, 2017 @12:15AM (#14289204)
My understanding is that Siri was intentionally chosen to be a gender agnostic name.
Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by sib on Monday May 08, 2017 @12:47AM (#14289330)
Have you ever met a male person who was named Siri? I've not, but I've met multiple female people by that name.
Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by c22 on Monday May 08, 2017 @07:00AM (#14290587)
I've never met anyone named Siri, but I did some brief research and it seems my belief was mistaken.
Re:Go Ahead and Date Your Digital Assistant by antisthenes on Monday May 08, 2017 @03:29PM (#14294778)
Women are by "default" considered more trustworthy and less dangerous than men.

The perfect qualities for an assistant role.

Unless you somehow think that's sexist, that's your real answer.