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Re:Another Group of Google Veterans Starts a Self-Driving Te... by malandrew on Thursday May 04, 2017 @01:47PM (#14267003)
When companies pay each engineer X and earn 10 times X on each engineer, this is inevitable. Near as I can tell, this is a strategy that is helping engineers retain more of the value they are creating.

If the difference was more subtle such as 2 to 3 times X, then the incentive to go through this much trouble to retain much of the value you create is much smaller.

Re:Another Group of Google Veterans Starts a Self-Driving Te... by jakelarkin on Thursday May 04, 2017 @02:59PM (#14267686)
nit: self-driving talent doesn't currently earn anything, but rather holds some long-term strategic value

I would summarize this effect as BigCorp HR being much more disciplined/constrained on individual compensation than the M&A department. Naturally, well-positioned and clever employees will capitalize on this.

Re:Another Group of Google Veterans Starts a Self-Driving Te... by mmagin on Thursday May 04, 2017 @04:48PM (#14268649)
I'm pretty sure there are differing accounting/tax consequences in each sort of spending.
Re:Another Group of Google Veterans Starts a Self-Driving Te... by malandrew on Thursday May 04, 2017 @06:30PM (#14269460)
In light of this observation, Google's current lawsuit could be viewed as an attempt to deter employee defection by signaling liabilities for potential acquirers, which will suppress the valuation of any acquisition.

Google was already at the center of the high-tech employee wage-fixing earlier this decade, so filing lawsuits to create deterrence wouldn't be that surprising.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust_L...

Re:Another Group of Google Veterans Starts a Self-Driving Te... by Qworg on Thursday May 04, 2017 @07:46PM (#14269914)
Or the lawsuit could be viewed as an attempt to deter industrial espionage by a competitor within a hot field.

Between these, which do you think is more likely?

Re:Another Group of Google Veterans Starts a Self-Driving Te... by candiodari on Thursday May 04, 2017 @09:03PM (#14270360)
The one they were convicted for before and are therefore known to do ?
Re:Another Group of Google Veterans Starts a Self-Driving Te... by autokad on Thursday May 04, 2017 @11:30PM (#14270933)
either way, google needs to tread carefully. more people are starting to recognize google as a monopoly, and if that continues they will either be broken up or turned into a utility.
Re:Another Group of Google Veterans Starts a Self-Driving Te... by joshvm on Thursday May 04, 2017 @06:31PM (#14269465)
Wasn't Google recently on the opposite end of this? They paid their engineers so much that some of them left because they had the financial security to take riskier options.
Re:Another Group of Google Veterans Starts a Self-Driving Te... by poikniok on Thursday May 04, 2017 @06:45PM (#14269546)
The logic on this statement doesn't really check out, as if this were the case it would be impossible to retain CEOs, they would all leave after a month. Yet somehow companies do so ...
Re:Another Group of Google Veterans Starts a Self-Driving Te... by dragonwriter on Thursday May 04, 2017 @07:36PM (#14269852)
> The logic on this statement doesn't really check out, as if this were the case it would be impossible to retain CEOs, they would all leave after a month.

Or, CEOs don't have the same set of options engineers have, or, CEOs are drawn from a pool with different preferences than engineers have, or...

Well, lots of other reasons your dismissal of the claim about engineers based on CEO behavior is unconvincing.

Re:Another Group of Google Veterans Starts a Self-Driving Te... by ubernostrum on Saturday May 06, 2017 @05:57AM (#14279549)
The general point is valid, though, and often comes up in discussions about basic income or similar programs: if the hypothesis is that someone whose needs are already met will refuse to work, then we can look at the existing population of people whose needs are already met as a way to verify the hypothesis. And we find the hypothesis is falsified by observation: some people who don't need to work don't work. Some people who don't need to work do work.
Re:Another Group of Google Veterans Starts a Self-Driving Te... by ryandrake on Thursday May 04, 2017 @06:55PM (#14269596)
To be honest, I don't have any idea why ANYONE keeps working after they have F-YOU money, CEOs or otherwise.
Re:Another Group of Google Veterans Starts a Self-Driving Te... by harmegido on Thursday May 04, 2017 @07:23PM (#14269759)
At some point, the work becomes the hobby. If you had fyou money, what would you do? Presumably not sit and stare at a wall all day. You'd do something you enjoy I assume. And for some, running one of the world's most powerful entities is enjoyable.
Re:Another Group of Google Veterans Starts a Self-Driving Te... by rjeli on Thursday May 04, 2017 @11:44PM (#14270977)
I could definitely keep myself entertained. Maybe that's why I don't have f-you money.
Re:Another Group of Google Veterans Starts a Self-Driving Te... by agumonkey on Friday May 05, 2017 @06:31AM (#14272398)
If your job involves hearing smart people talking to you about amazing ventures before getting into a fancy restaurant the night before you take a plane to some foreign headquarters it earned the right to be called a hobby.
Re:Another Group of Google Veterans Starts a Self-Driving Te... by yazaddaruvala on Friday May 05, 2017 @05:04AM (#14272069)
I'd just learn.

Learn everything.

I have a goal, it is to be better than average at every "skill".

Re:Another Group of Google Veterans Starts a Self-Driving Te... by sytelus on Saturday May 06, 2017 @04:54AM (#14279398)
and then what?
Re:Another Group of Google Veterans Starts a Self-Driving Te... by yazaddaruvala on Sunday May 07, 2017 @11:42AM (#14285981)
lol, you know its not possible to learn everything! There is no "then what?". Then entropy catches up with us all and we die eating at The Restaurant At The End Of The Universe.
Re:Another Group of Google Veterans Starts a Self-Driving Te... by gambiting on Friday May 05, 2017 @05:12AM (#14272100)
Because in most cases, your needs rise together with your salary. Once you start earning 200-500k/year, you just get a house/car/boat that costs nearly that much to maintain. Obviously there are people who keep their cost of living low and stash that money in a saving account so that after 10 years they can realistically stop working altogether, but that's not the pattern that I'm usually seeing.
Re:Another Group of Google Veterans Starts a Self-Driving Te... by metaphor on Friday May 05, 2017 @01:26AM (#14271308)
Consider the possibility that what you may perceive as work, someone else considers play with certain benefits.
Re:Another Group of Google Veterans Starts a Self-Driving Te... by MrQuincle on Friday May 05, 2017 @03:16AM (#14271675)
If you have certain goals in life e.g. building certain large infrastructures, it might be beneficial to do these in an existing company than starting your own or doing it in a nonprofessional environment.

Plus, yes, there are other goals than "not working".

Re:Another Group of Google Veterans Starts a Self-Driving Te... by eitally on Thursday May 04, 2017 @06:52PM (#14269583)
Re:Another Group of Google Veterans Starts a Self-Driving Te... by npelly on Thursday May 04, 2017 @07:00PM (#14269631)
A lot of comments suggesting this is cynical compensation arbitrage by the DeepMap founders. I don't buy it.

I expect a startup was the only option to execute on the idea with a decent level of autonomy. Google/Alphabet already have well established teams in the areas of mapping & autonomous driving so you can't just go ahead and start your own multi-engineer effort.

Re:Another Group of Google Veterans Starts a Self-Driving Te... by malandrew on Thursday May 04, 2017 @07:05PM (#14269666)
I believe it's both actually. With the exception of maybe a few small corners, Google no longer has the reputation of a place where you have autonomy.