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Re:Is Every Speed Limit Too Low? by bitwize on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @05:42PM (#14198346)
The article was talking about 55 mph speed limits on freeways -- highways restricted to vehicular traffic only. Roads likely to be used by pedestrians or cyclists will have a limit of 25 to 45 mph.
Re:Is Every Speed Limit Too Low? by zanny on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @06:34PM (#14198782)
The main street in the town I live in (population 4500, not that big) has a posted speed limit of 25mph. Until last year, the road was in such bad repair that most traffic only averaged around 30. Then they repaved the road, and despite it still being 2 lane with parking on both sides, tons of merge traffic without any lights (from stopsigns) and being next to the town park with a ton of foot traffic, I'd estimate the average speed on that road is now 45-50mph. Precisely because its straight, freshly paved, and nobody wants to slow down the traffic when its smooth sailing with no lights.

To try to counteract this, those signs that tell you your speed were put up that blink when you are going over the limit. They were promptly ignored.

So really I'm just trying to reiterate that what the article says is absolutely true - people will drive what they feel comfortable going, not what the posted speed limit says. In practice, the risks are there, but nowadays everyone knows to avoid main street for pedestrian crossing because its approaching highway speeds now. But on very congested roads like our main street (this being a 250 year old town, where there is no traffic shaping planned, so all through traffic goes down the road that also has the most foot traffic) you aren't going to have an easy answer, because slowing down traffic can be just as dangerous when its bumper to bumper for the ~5 mile long road through town and drivers will go mad being forced back to 25mph combined with the immense traffic bottleneck it would reintroduce (the main reason they fast tracked paving the road in the first place - traffic would back up onto the nearby highway offramp because of how bad main street traffic is).

I think the reality is that busy streets are just never safe for pedestrians (or bikes, etc). That is why you invest in crosswalks meant to funnel people across them all at once, in centralized places, where traffic is already forced to stop. And if you really care, you get the cars out of downtown entirely.

Re:Is Every Speed Limit Too Low? by CalChris on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @05:48PM (#14198405)
That is not the case. The article says Every year, traffic engineers review the speed limit on thousands of stretches of road and highway.
Re:Is Every Speed Limit Too Low? by Brendinooo on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @07:36PM (#14199238)
In Pennsylvania, I once rode my bike on a 55-mph, four-lane divided highway that is designated as an official bike route[0]. Traffic was sparse on the road so it objectively probably wasn't too bad, but it wasn't a pleasant experience to have cars rush by you at those speeds.

[0]: http://bikepa.com/routes/index.htm

Re:Is Every Speed Limit Too Low? by CalRobert on Wednesday April 26, 2017 @04:24AM (#14201380)
Source?

I have cycled routinely on roads with speed limits greater than this. The first that comes to mind is Madison Ave in Sacramento (often 50mph+). For that matter I used to have a commute that took me on a brief stretch of I-5 in San Diego - that was hair-raising, to say the least. It's legal there due to lack of other options.

Re:Is Every Speed Limit Too Low? by Nition on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @05:58PM (#14198490)
Petrol consumption is often best in cars at around 45mph (70km/h), so one effect of increasing highway speed limits not mentioned would be worse fuel economy.
Re:Is Every Speed Limit Too Low? by ZantaWB on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @06:08PM (#14198566)
This was mentioned in the article as the main reason for the legacy 55mph limit imposed after the Saudi oil embargo.
Re:Is Every Speed Limit Too Low? by Nition on Tuesday April 25, 2017 @06:11PM (#14198600)
Oops, I see that now. My fault for only reading the first section of the article.
Re:Is Every Speed Limit Too Low? by tropo on Wednesday April 26, 2017 @01:01AM (#14200543)
That number comes from a time of 3-speed transmissions and non-aerodynamic bodies. I heard better numbers back when 5-speed was becoming common, but now we're seeing 8-speed and 9-speed and CVT. It's probably around 65mph now.
Re:Is Every Speed Limit Too Low? by Nition on Wednesday April 26, 2017 @03:46AM (#14201221)
I've heard 70km/h elsewhere, but the only personal data I have is I used to drive a 2002 5-speed manual VW Golf Mk IV, the 2L petrol version, and that had a fuel economy display on it plus a nice chart of economy per gear in the owner's manual. The book similarly said best would be at around 70km/h (~45mph) in 5th gear, and I confirmed that was true in my own tests. The 6-speed GTI was charted in the owner's manual as well and its best economy was shown as a little faster, in its extra 6th gear.
Re:Is Every Speed Limit Too Low? by YSFEJ4SWJUVU6 on Wednesday April 26, 2017 @08:09AM (#14202290)
Aerodynamic resistance (“drag”) doesn't care about your transmission. The sweet spot is even lower with electric cars (especially with all the peripheral devices turned off).

However, a modern mid-sized car with an efficient engine gets 40 MPG or more at 75 MPH, while a gas guzzler won't get such mileage at any speed.

Re:Is Every Speed Limit Too Low? by dagw on Wednesday April 26, 2017 @08:13AM (#14202309)
Own a 2014 6-speed petrol VW and according to the manual the optimal speed for max mileage is around 70-75 km/h
Re:Is Every Speed Limit Too Low? by coredog64 on Wednesday April 26, 2017 @12:28AM (#14200433)
Spark ignition engines suffer from pumping losses when throttled. So it is a pretty broad generalization to throw that number out. Fuel economy will depend on rolling resistance, gearing, and aerodynamics.