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Re:Status – A Mobile Ethereum OS by JeremyBanks on Friday April 21, 2017 @01:04AM (#14163202)
The problem is not with forking to develop the protocol. Certainly, that is a good thing, and BitCoin's inability to do so is a serious issue.

The problem is forking to undo a specific transaction. That should never happen. The fact that so many people over-invested in a risky experimental project that they felt they had to sabotage the protocol to protect themselves reflects very poorly on the community.

Re:Status – A Mobile Ethereum OS by flashmob on Friday April 21, 2017 @03:26AM (#14163693)
Technically, no transactions were undone, but the fork agreed to new rules set in the future. The users of the new version also had a choice if they wanted to support the fork or not, the majority went with the fork.

This is a screenshot of the choice everyone was asked when starting up their wallet: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/Et...

Ability for a community to set and agree to new rules is healthy for a blockchain and it makes it more likely that Ethereum can evolve and successfully hardfork to Proof of Stake (PoS) mining in the future.

Re:Status – A Mobile Ethereum OS by baobabKoodaa on Friday April 21, 2017 @07:14AM (#14164525)
Nice whitewashing. While you are technically correct that no transactions were undone, in practice a theft was (largely) reverted. You are also misrepresenting "users' choice" with regards to supporting the fork. If you make a transaction and everyone moves onto a different chain in order to effectively cancel your transaction, that's censorship of transactions. Censorship was a good choice in this case, but let's not pretend it's something it wasn't.
Re:Status – A Mobile Ethereum OS by splintercell on Friday April 21, 2017 @10:45AM (#14166018)
> If you make a transaction and everyone moves onto a different chain in order to effectively cancel your transaction, that's censorship of transactions.

If you don't like what NYT says, and you cancel your subscription and subscribe to WSJ (and let's just say that millions of people do the same thing, possibly due to some event), have you effectively censored NYT then?

The fact is, censorship has a meaning, and the way you're using the language, abuses that. We didn't censor Ubuntu when because of their unity decision lots of people moved to Linux Mint or to other distros.

We didn't censor Digg when it lost a huge traffic to Reddit after the v3 changes.

Uber wasn't censored when after the controversial immigration changes by Trump, people started to delete uber app and ride Lyft.

Censorship is when an organization forces your speech from all effective expression.

Will ETC be invoking censorship when they hard fork to eliminate the upcoming Ice Age baked into the Ethereum protocol?

Re:Status – A Mobile Ethereum OS by baobabKoodaa on Friday April 21, 2017 @06:34PM (#14169952)
Your analogies about choice do not really play here. This is about telling someone "we didn't cancel your transaction, everyone just decided to move onto a chain where it doesn't exist". (Also, you are correct that I was abusing the term 'censorship'.)
Re:Status – A Mobile Ethereum OS by adamrezich on Friday April 21, 2017 @12:49PM (#14167185)
Your analogy breaks down because we don't trade newspapers as currency, we consume them for information.
Re:Status – A Mobile Ethereum OS by splintercell on Friday April 21, 2017 @02:03PM (#14167786)
And until 2016 nobody used the phrase 'censorship of transactions'.
Re:Status – A Mobile Ethereum OS by flashmob on Friday April 21, 2017 @10:50AM (#14166068)
It's not censorship - it's called consensus.

Look back to the screenshot in my post. Censorship is when you conceal information. The screenshot clearly specifies a yes/no choice without leaning to any choice. (it specifies you can use any chains you want, both buttons are blue).

If only the bitcoin core developers were as brave as that to put something like this in their client and let the community reach consensus! "Hi, we are over capacity. Do you want bigger blocks? Yes / No". Instead, we see any post that doesn't fit their narrative deleted. Now that's censorship.

Re:Status – A Mobile Ethereum OS by JeremyBanks on Friday April 21, 2017 @08:54AM (#14165094)
New rules... to effectively undo one specific transaction.

Fine: it wasn't wiped from the block chain. That's irrelevant; that argument is nonsense.

Re:Status – A Mobile Ethereum OS by max_ on Friday April 21, 2017 @02:58AM (#14163595)
>The problem is forking to undo a specific transaction. That should never happen.

Ethereum already had plans to from Proof of Work to Proof of Stake as a consensus algorithm (in Q3).

The attacker stole over 10 million ETH

How would you feel using a system whose transactions are audited in majority by a thief?

Re:Status – A Mobile Ethereum OS by JeremyBanks on Friday April 21, 2017 @08:50AM (#14165062)
I'd be concerned. But the community already accomplished that by recklessly creating the situation in the first place, from which there was no truly good outcome.