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Re:Google plans ad-blocking feature in Chrome browser by oDot on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @07:51PM (#14152827)
I like it too, but isn't Google in a conflict of interest here?
Re:Google plans ad-blocking feature in Chrome browser by andrewmutz on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @08:17PM (#14152951)
It is interesting. It seems to me that it could be considered to be monopoly abuse and it also seems to be pro-consumer. A strange combination.
Re:Google plans ad-blocking feature in Chrome browser by freshhawk on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @09:12PM (#14153204)
How is it pro-consumer? Ad blocking is mainstream so Google wants people to consider this new built in "ad blocker" to be good enough, then they won't install one that blocks Google ads.
Re:Google plans ad-blocking feature in Chrome browser by hackuser on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @08:29PM (#14153000)
> It seems to me that it could be considered to be monopoly abuse and it also seems to be pro-consumer.

The move only is pro-consumer where it benefits Google's bottom line: Blocking competitors ads, using a standard that Google easily meets. It's similar to when countries block agricultural imports that don't meet a standard that is unique to their domestic industry, in the name of "safety".

For example, I don't expect Google to block ads that violate users' privacy by tracking them. But I hope they surprise me!

Re:Google plans ad-blocking feature in Chrome browser by pooper on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @08:42PM (#14153061)
> The move only is pro-consumer where it benefits Google's bottom line: Blocking competitors ads, using a standard that Google easily meets. It's similar to when countries block agricultural imports that don't meet a standard that is unique to their domestic industry, in the name of "safety".

I never thought of this implementation but I imagine this is one of the few ways Google can bundle in ad blocking in Chrome. As long as third party blockers (specifically uBlock Origin https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/Blocking-mode for me) I don't mind. I go back and forth to using Mozilla Firefox mostly because I use it on Android but I appreciate all that Google has done to move the web forward.

Re:Google plans ad-blocking feature in Chrome browser by hectormalot on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @08:57PM (#14153139)
Not such a strange combination in my view. As i see it, Google's customers are (for a large part) advertisers, and their product is the ability to get ads in front of people (and to get people to click on them). In the economical sense you could even argue that Google users are 'suppliers' (of eyeballs and clicks)

Monopoly abuse can of course impact both suppliers as well as customers, but in this case it's probably more likely to only impact advertisers.

- As individuals we can switch to other search engines and browsers, so it's difficult to abuse a monopoly that way.

- However, as long as we keep using Google, advertisers might have no other option to get a reach this valuable. So Google could possibly exploit its position towards advertisers. (e.g. Favor its own ads over other ad networks).

Still looks like a net win for end users.

Re:Google plans ad-blocking feature in Chrome browser by nikkwong on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @09:10PM (#14153196)
I think you are missing the point. In my opinion it's a valid concern that this policy could be perceived as Google effectively pushing advertisers onto AdWords over other competing platforms
Re:Google plans ad-blocking feature in Chrome browser by amygdyl on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @09:27PM (#14153259)
Forgive me another probably dumb question, but I don't mean to be obtuse or sarcastic at all, this is straight up:

Even working on projects where we wanted to see online adverts, all ad networks were null routed at our border. We saw too much variety of risks in letting adverts traverse the lan.

I'm (very) out of touch, but is it expected to view pages complete with advertising - unadulterated - in modern corporate setting?

If so, is there good reason for this? Or am I missing relevant firewall tech?

Re:Google plans ad-blocking feature in Chrome browser by libria on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @08:00PM (#14152882)
The opposite, I would say. Google has strict guidelines for ad creative content and polices its ads as well; they're almost certainly above their own bar. So this is essentially threatening to block everyone else, or at least those behaving poorly.
Re:Google plans ad-blocking feature in Chrome browser by aethr on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @08:03PM (#14152895)
That is the conflict of interest. It's hard to see how this isn't going to strengthen their position in the ad serving market. Google being able to define where the bar for "badly behaving" is set means that only their competitors will be hurt by this.
Re:Google plans ad-blocking feature in Chrome browser by bitmapbrother on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @08:28PM (#14152998)
Google isn't defining anything unilaterally - the Coalition for Better Ads is.

https://www.betterads.org/standards/

Re:Google plans ad-blocking feature in Chrome browser by hackuser on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @08:30PM (#14153005)
Yes, but there are probably other standards that Google's ads don't meet, and Google isn't using those.
Re:Google plans ad-blocking feature in Chrome browser by sooheon on Thursday April 20, 2017 @01:16AM (#14154148)
Like tracking of user data.
Re:Google plans ad-blocking feature in Chrome browser by ethics_gradient on Saturday April 22, 2017 @12:24AM (#14171105)
Is this sarcastic?
Re:Google plans ad-blocking feature in Chrome browser by rmc on Thursday April 20, 2017 @05:39AM (#14155220)
That's an industry body from big advertisers, like Google. I'm pretty sure "Don't store user data" isn't included in that "standard"
Re:Google plans ad-blocking feature in Chrome browser by freehunter on Thursday April 20, 2017 @11:20AM (#14157455)
What we need is a Sarbanes-Oxley for the Internet. If you track users and store their data, you have to be Internet-SOX compliant to prove you're handling it in a responsible way. Especially with the anti-fraud protections on credit cards these days, storing PII and browsing history is a lot more dangerous than a credit card breach.
Re:Google plans ad-blocking feature in Chrome browser by rmc on Monday April 24, 2017 @06:08AM (#14183079)
Or tech companies could put themselves under EU data protection law.
Re:Google plans ad-blocking feature in Chrome browser by bpicolo on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @08:21PM (#14152963)
I wonder if the motivation isn't a bit more subtle than that. My guess would be they're hoping to improve ads across the web so that people turn off ad blockers in general.
Re:Google plans ad-blocking feature in Chrome browser by pwg on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @09:05PM (#14153184)
This is very likely the reason this has suddenly appeared in Chrome. Google's revenue relies on ads. Too many internet users blocking too many ads directly threatens Google's revenue stream. The recent sudden upsurge in ad-blocking would, from a Google perspective, look like an existential threat to their very existence.

And what would be one reasonable response that a company reliant on ads for income who also happens to produce a browser used by a huge number of users look like when they realize this existential threat exists? Well, one reasonable response would be exactly this, a "kill the misbehaving ones" addition to that browser in hopes of heading off the threat before it becomes a true, company killing, result.

Only time will tell if this change in mindset on their part actually results in heading off the eventual outcome.

Re:Google plans ad-blocking feature in Chrome browser by ohyeshedid on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @08:32PM (#14153012)
Perhaps it is, but if there were the case why wouldn't they start by cleaning up their own platforms?

There are several angles to be wary of. Locking out competitors, replacing competitor ads with their own, forcing sites to migrate to, or back to, Google ad networks, etc.

Re:Google plans ad-blocking feature in Chrome browser by _eht on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @09:01PM (#14153164)
Working with Google ads for over seven years as a publisher, they have one of the cleanest ad networks in the game. On top of that, you can preview every single ad that is shown with your account and block accordingly.

I agree, they need to thread carefully, but things need to change, and that change needs to come from two angles: publishers whoring out their users and ad networks not taking responsibility for what they let on their networks.

Re:Google plans ad-blocking feature in Chrome browser by mkl on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @10:50PM (#14153546)
> you can preview every single ad that is shown with your account and block accordingly.

Really? I've never used Google ads, so for all I know you're right, but why would none of the ~600 comments in the previous discussion [1] mention that?

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14094083

Re:Google plans ad-blocking feature in Chrome browser by _eht on Thursday April 20, 2017 @01:55AM (#14154288)
https://support.google.com/adxseller/answer/4587864?hl=en

I'm on the Adx platform, which was invite only a few years back. It has some differences to Adsense, but I believe ad review and transparency with what creatives are displayed is part of both cores.

If I were to guess, there were 600 people in the thread who were not actually publishers using Google ads.

Re:Google plans ad-blocking feature in Chrome browser by xienze on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @08:26PM (#14152991)
And if they can gimp their competitors at the same time, bonus!
Re:Google plans ad-blocking feature in Chrome browser by MichaelGG on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @08:13PM (#14152932)
Google's AdMob routinely shows me "virus scan now!" and "extend battery!" with full flashing yellow and red.

They've also hosted fake download ads for e.g. Skype.

Re:Google plans ad-blocking feature in Chrome browser by kbody on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @08:19PM (#14152961)
You probably missed this: http://www.groundup.org.za/article/why-were-dropping-google-...

Adsense has its more than fair share of low quality ads. Of course, you can't compare it to popups/sound-ads etc. but compared to the past, it's certainly way lower. (Keep in mind the experience varies wildly based on your profile. Geo etc.)

Re:Google plans ad-blocking feature in Chrome browser by JohnTHaller on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @08:05PM (#14152907)
Fairly well. As someone who uses AdSense and has had site users report bestiality ads, you can't automate quality ad content.
Re:Google plans ad-blocking feature in Chrome browser by artursapek on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @08:03PM (#14152897)
> So this is essentially threatening to block everyone else

I think this is what he meant by conflict of interest

Re:Google plans ad-blocking feature in Chrome browser by libria on Thursday April 20, 2017 @11:46AM (#14157709)
Hm yeah, a moment after I hit submit I realized this. So I guess I made the parents point.
Re:Google plans ad-blocking feature in Chrome browser by _eht on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @08:56PM (#14153133)
As a publisher with a significant number of ad requests monthly this would be a godsend. I just spent the last week tracking down ads that were maliciously redirecting my mobile traffic off my site.

Turns out it was coming from a network called Sovrn, which is ironically a member of betterads.org and apparently "recently added an extra layer of protection from malware and redirects, all of [their] creatives are pre-scanned before they are served."

Re:Google plans ad-blocking feature in Chrome browser by dcow on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @08:02PM (#14152889)
No because all of their ads will meet standards. I wouldn't be surprised if a competing lower-quality ad agency sues Google over this.
Re:Google plans ad-blocking feature in Chrome browser by haukilup on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @08:05PM (#14152908)
Why are you saying no, then proceeding to make the parent's point for them?
Re:Google plans ad-blocking feature in Chrome browser by mpeg on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @08:15PM (#14152941)
Google is an ad network, not an ad agency. All ads should meet the Initial Better Ads Standards at the very least, we're not talking about creative quality here, we're talking about reducing user pain that things like fullscreen ads, autoplays, popups... create.

It's a good start, but consumers deserve a better ad experience for approved formats too.

Re:Google plans ad-blocking feature in Chrome browser by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @08:09PM (#14152923)
> their ads will meet standards

If something else on the page doesn't, presumably Chrome will block Google's ads too.

Re:Google plans ad-blocking feature in Chrome browser by kuschku on Thursday April 20, 2017 @08:25AM (#14155995)
Their ads meet the standards?

YouTube doesn’t have auto-playing video ads with sound?

YouTube doesn’t have countdown based ads blocking the content?

Google.com always has less than 3 ads?

Re:Google plans ad-blocking feature in Chrome browser by kyledrake on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @08:25PM (#14152988)
It will meet their "standards", which in the past have not prevented Google ads from being used for a lot of different types of nasty, malicious activity.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malvertising

Re:Google plans ad-blocking feature in Chrome browser by sjg007 on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @08:31PM (#14153009)
Except it's your device, you can choose to block ads.
Re:Google plans ad-blocking feature in Chrome browser by kesor on Thursday April 20, 2017 @12:31AM (#14153987)
And what about the grandmother of the guy next door? What about the other 99.999% of internet users who are not you?
Re:Google plans ad-blocking feature in Chrome browser by rosege on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @10:29PM (#14153494)
or some kind of anti-trust eventuates
Re:Google plans ad-blocking feature in Chrome browser by bitmapbrother on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @08:25PM (#14152986)
How so? If the ad does not abide by the Coalition for Better Ads standards then it's not displayed. And if your ad doesn't meet those standards then you probably shouldn't be advertising with Google.
Re:Google plans ad-blocking feature in Chrome browser by tdb7893 on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @08:23PM (#14152979)
As long as they don't disallow other ad blockers I'm okay with it.