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Re:How YouTube’s Shifting Algorithms Hurt Independent Media by elsonrodriguez on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @12:39PM (#14140313)
The flipside to this is that there are people who will never ever pay money for your content, and ad revenue is the only way to directly capitalize on your popularity among those people.

This also means that when your ad revenue disappears, you will NEVER get that revenue back. Your only recourse is to get more popular, as your supporters are already buying your merchandise and donating.

It's going to become much more difficult to support yourself via creating content if step 1 becomes "be famous".

Re:How YouTube’s Shifting Algorithms Hurt Independent Media by jerf on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @02:19PM (#14141385)
"It's going to become much more difficult to support yourself via creating content if step 1 becomes "be famous"."

You don't have to become famous. One of the things I love about Patreon are how some of my obscure things nobody has ever heard of are now providing a low-to-mid-grade middle class lifestyle for people you've probably never heard of.

Wander around a bit on https://graphtreon.com/ , and bear in mind a lot of what you see is hobby work, not attempts to make a living.

And also bear in mind there is no option where anybody ever just wakes up one day, decides "I'm going to make a living as an Internet content provider!" and a thousand people pour out of the woodwork to give them $3 a month right away. The question is not whether Patreon successfully thrusts success on people... the question is whether it enables it.

i.e., if I love Patreon so much why haven't I switched to make a living on it? Well, I have a realistic view of my own "content creation" skills and realize that it's not really an option for me. Patreon isn't going to magically fix that for me.

Re:How YouTube’s Shifting Algorithms Hurt Independent Media by elsonrodriguez on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @05:18PM (#14143012)
I'm speaking from experience here, I have ad revenue and Patreon.

If my ad revenue tanks, Patreon does not automatically go up, I'm just out my ad revenue for the month. For some artists this is the difference between being able to pay rent or not.

Re:How YouTube’s Shifting Algorithms Hurt Independent Media by stcredzero on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @01:10PM (#14140636)
It's going to become much more difficult to support yourself via creating content if step 1 becomes "be famous".

It's already becoming like this for certain forms of media. Videogames, in particular. It's amazing how many things become easier, once you've already gotten notable. Come to think of it, it's been true to some degree, even in the days when media only existed in the form of spoken word and songs.

Re:How YouTube’s Shifting Algorithms Hurt Independent Media by bigtimeidiot on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @04:18PM (#14142496)
>ad revenue is the only way to directly capitalize on your popularity among those people.

Are these people clicking ads, though? I doubt it. And if not, you aren't monetizing them directly via that method, either.

Re:How YouTube’s Shifting Algorithms Hurt Independent Media by elsonrodriguez on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @05:12PM (#14142979)
They don't have to click to monetize, but yes, some click.

Enough so that you can offset the cost of the hobby in many cases, and make a living in that rarest, most desirable of cases.

Re:How YouTube’s Shifting Algorithms Hurt Independent Media by sfifs on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @10:25AM (#14147899)
Most advertising is cost per impression, not click. Search is pretty much the only major cost per click type of advertising.
Re:How YouTube’s Shifting Algorithms Hurt Independent Media by rasz on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @07:03PM (#14143823)
Putting adds on your content if you have viable patreon fan base just means you value your fans time at ~30 cents per hour, its a slap in the face with rotten fish.
Re:How YouTube’s Shifting Algorithms Hurt Independent Media by sp332 on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @01:11PM (#14140651)
But to get money from ads you have to be famous too.
Re:How YouTube’s Shifting Algorithms Hurt Independent Media by rhizome on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @02:13PM (#14141335)
10,000 views means "famous?"
Re:How YouTube’s Shifting Algorithms Hurt Independent Media by sp332 on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @02:16PM (#14141361)
10,000 ad views means supporting yourself from ad revenue? I mean if one person buys a t-shirt you've probably made more money, so I don't really see the advantage to ad revenue over merchandising, Patreon etc.
Re:How YouTube’s Shifting Algorithms Hurt Independent Media by rhizome on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @06:42PM (#14143690)
No. YouTube announced recently that they aren't paying out on videos with less than 10K views.

http://www.theverge.com/2017/4/6/15209220/youtube-partner-pr...

Re:How YouTube’s Shifting Algorithms Hurt Independent Media by corobo on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @08:00AM (#14147088)
Just to clarify this it's 10K views for the channel overall, not individual videos.

If your channel has 10k views total across all videos, you can monetise the next video from viewer 1.

Re:How YouTube’s Shifting Algorithms Hurt Independent Media by rhizome on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @12:44PM (#14149158)
Thanks, that was unclear from YT messaging.
Re:How YouTube’s Shifting Algorithms Hurt Independent Media by always_good on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @12:27AM (#14145435)
By "make money", they meant "make more than peanuts", not "make their first $0.01".
Re:How YouTube’s Shifting Algorithms Hurt Independent Media by aw3c2 on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @01:13PM (#14140672)
Maybe just don't even try to capitalize on those. If you cannot sustain your work via better means then maybe it is just not worth it.
Re:How YouTube’s Shifting Algorithms Hurt Independent Media by elsonrodriguez on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @05:20PM (#14143037)
That's like telling Google to turn off all ads on Youtube tomorrow, and only rely on people who use Youtube Red to make a profit.

Or maybe Youtube is just not worth it?