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Re:Princeton’s Ad-Blocker May Put an End to the Ad-Blocking ... by JoshTriplett on Friday April 14, 2017 @06:05PM (#14117806)
Website terms of service are not law, no matter how people have abused the CFAA. You can't control how a browser displays content, whether it does so with a browser, screen reader, or musical interpretive dance.

I look forward to seeing that battle play out.

Re:Princeton’s Ad-Blocker May Put an End to the Ad-Blocking ... by daxelrod on Friday April 14, 2017 @08:00PM (#14118447)
You may be interested in MDY Industries, LLC v. Blizzard Entertainment, Inc.[1] (the WoW Glider case).

World of Warcraft's Terms of Use prohibited bots. The court found that users who used the Glider bot with WoW were violating the Terms of Use and therefore were not licensed to use WoW in that way. Because users running WoW must copy its content from their hard drives to RAM to run it, the court found that using Glider with WoW constituted copyright infringement.

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDY_Industries,_LLC_v._Blizzar....

Re:Princeton’s Ad-Blocker May Put an End to the Ad-Blocking ... by btown on Friday April 14, 2017 @10:33PM (#14119019)
HN strips trailing periods from URLs; add a period at the end, or click the Search link at the page the above links to, to see the case. The raw opinion is here: https://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca9/0...

It's a very interesting finding. The appeals court actually did reverse parts of the decision, including the hard-drive-to-RAM argument, ending up in favor of MDY for many of the claims!

But the devil is in the details. Even though MDY wasn't found to be infringing copyright by breaking the covenants of the license agreement against botting (simply copying static code to RAM was not considered sufficient "reproduction" to be infringement)... it was found to violate the DMCA because it was circumventing Blizzard's Warden framework designed to protect access to dynamic server-side materials. MDY therefore had the lower court's "permanent injunction" against doing so upheld.

So if you were to create an ad-blocker detector that detected all current ad-blockers, and required that detector to digitally sign a request for dynamic content, but then someone circumvented that detection by subsequently creating an ad blocker that wasn't detected, would it fall under this precedent and violate the DMCA?

And there's also fuzziness around whether MDY was tortiously interfering ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortious_interference ) with Blizzard's contracts with its subscribers. In this case, it wasn't, because MDY arguably was behaving as a good steward here. For instance, the opinion cites how MDY "enhances some players' experience of the game, including players who might not otherwise play WoW at all." One could see an argument that an ad blocker would encourage more visitors... but if there's no other revenue source other than ads, does the pendulum swing in the opposite direction in favor of the content creator?

Very difficult to tell. Just because Adblock Plus avoided a lawsuit in Germany, and (as the research paper from the OP http://randomwalker.info/publications/ad-blocking-framework-... points out) most ad embeddings today are "trivial" overlays that wouldn't be considered DRM per the DMCA, that doesn't mean that advertisers won't evolve another piece of ammunition in this war.

(I am not a lawyer; the above is not legal advice.)

Re:Princeton’s Ad-Blocker May Put an End to the Ad-Blocking ... by gavinpc on Friday April 14, 2017 @11:37PM (#14119232)
> I am not a lawyer

You might have missed your calling.

Re:Princeton’s Ad-Blocker May Put an End to the Ad-Blocking ... by btown on Saturday April 15, 2017 @11:11AM (#14121058)
I enjoy building products too much :)
Re:Princeton’s Ad-Blocker May Put an End to the Ad-Blocking ... by daxelrod on Saturday April 15, 2017 @11:36AM (#14121158)
Thank you for elaborating on the appeals court's findings. I'm really happy that the HD-to-RAM argument was thrown out.
Re:Princeton’s Ad-Blocker May Put an End to the Ad-Blocking ... by bigbugbag on Monday April 17, 2017 @07:42PM (#14135405)
WoW is hardly a website, let alone one that is freely available for the general public.
Re:Princeton’s Ad-Blocker May Put an End to the Ad-Blocking ... by CalRobert on Friday April 14, 2017 @07:09PM (#14118109)
Not to mention this basically makes cURL illegal..
Re:Princeton’s Ad-Blocker May Put an End to the Ad-Blocking ... by Filligree on Saturday April 15, 2017 @01:10AM (#14119493)
cURL.

That's that hacking tool, right? I think I saw it in the Matrix. It's used by nmap.

Re:Princeton’s Ad-Blocker May Put an End to the Ad-Blocking ... by bduerst on Friday April 14, 2017 @07:20PM (#14118181)
Lack of means of enforcement doesn't void a copyright.

Forbes in this case seems to be able to control it to a certain degree anyways.

Re:Princeton’s Ad-Blocker May Put an End to the Ad-Blocking ... by Svexark on Friday April 14, 2017 @09:57PM (#14118902)
It's a felony to access a computer system without authorization, access a computer system to obtain unauthorized computer services, degrade or disrupt a computer system, take data without authorization, or to use data obtained through misuse of a computer system.

The law is so vague everyone technically commits a felony every time they load a web page. Did ycombinator give you explicit permission to use this server? No, they did not. If they want you punished for posting this and they can find a friendly district attorney, you're screwed.

I'm old enough to remember when the conventional wisdom was that sharing music on the internet wasn't stealing because nobody was being deprived of physical media. Give Google a few years to lobby and create PSAs and people will being going to jail for creating ad blockers.

Re:Princeton’s Ad-Blocker May Put an End to the Ad-Blocking ... by zdragnar on Friday April 14, 2017 @11:01PM (#14119107)
The law isn't nearly so cut and dry as that. After all, if something operates as a business, and also has a brick-and-mortar storefront, then it is also liable to accessibility guidelines per the ADA (see the lawsuit against Target a few years back).

As such, publicly accessible websites are, in effect, no less common areas than storefronts.

Of course, there's a way around this; websites could establish 'membership requirements' such as using a browser that does not have an ad blocker enabled; the content for most of the website would require being a member and volunteering to abide by membership rules to access. Violate those rules, and you would risk losing your membership and access to the content, though I seriously doubt grounds could be established for a lawsuit over it.

Re:Princeton’s Ad-Blocker May Put an End to the Ad-Blocking ... by ajdlinux on Saturday April 15, 2017 @05:18AM (#14120036)
> Did ycombinator give you explicit permission to use this server? No, they did not. If they want you punished for posting this and they can find a friendly district attorney, you're screwed.

Did your local supermarket give you explicit permission to walk on to their premises to go shopping? No - they gave you implied licence to enter their premises which is made obvious by the circumstances.

Similarly, a court would almost certainly find that having a web server which is obviously intended to be publicly accessible would result in an implied licence for use of copyrighted material on the site for typical, expected usage of said site.