Re:Removing Home Internet Is the Most Productive Thing I've ...
by mastazi on Tuesday April 11, 2017 @12:00AM
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Yes I agree with you and I think, for people with our type of needs, a more sensible approach would be to switch from smart to dumb phone, in fact I have been thinking about that for a while now.
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Re:Removing Home Internet Is the Most Productive Thing I've ...
by flukus on Tuesday April 11, 2017 @12:36AM
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That would be throwing out the good with the bad. The phone isn't just an internet portal, it's a music player, a navigation system, an audiobook player, a book reader, etc.
Re:Removing Home Internet Is the Most Productive Thing I've ...
by therealdrag0 on Tuesday April 11, 2017 @01:07AM
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Yep. I've deleted Facebook and it's reduced my time wasting. I still pull my phone out, swipe left, swipe right, realize there's nothing for me to do and then put my phone away. (I have most notifications turned to minimal/off)
But LOVE my audio books and podcasts and google maps and digital note pad and dictionary and wikipedia... And never feel guilty about those things.
Re:Removing Home Internet Is the Most Productive Thing I've ...
by ams6110 on Tuesday April 11, 2017 @01:13AM
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Your phone can do all those things without a continuous data connection.
Re:Removing Home Internet Is the Most Productive Thing I've ...
by Dylan16807 on Tuesday April 11, 2017 @03:05AM
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Dumb phones can do audio too.
But sure, better to get rid of the data connection than the smarts.
Re:Removing Home Internet Is the Most Productive Thing I've ...
by kranner on Tuesday April 11, 2017 @12:29AM
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Sorry that doesn't sound sensible to me at all. How about we keep the tools and learn to discipline ourselves better?
Re:Removing Home Internet Is the Most Productive Thing I've ...
by grzm on Tuesday April 11, 2017 @12:36AM
(#14084888)
Part of learning self-discipline is learning what triggers or facilitates undesired behavior and modifying one's environment to increase desired behavior. This can include limiting internet access, such as removing home internet, or switching to a dumb phone. This isn't weakness; it's learning about oneself and working with what you have. Certainly, there are ways to increase will-power, but relying purely on will-power can be difficult for many people.
Re:Removing Home Internet Is the Most Productive Thing I've ...
by kranner on Tuesday April 11, 2017 @12:40AM
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I didn't say it was "weakness". I meant it seemed like unnecessarily crippling oneself. It might be valuable for many people to investigate why they can't stop themselves from overusing their smartphones. Sure if they end up realizing that they can't manage to stop themselves, it would make sense to change the environment, but why give up without even trying? This really seems like the opposite of learning self-discipline.
Re:Removing Home Internet Is the Most Productive Thing I've ...
by grzm on Tuesday April 11, 2017 @12:56AM
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I didn't mean to imply that you said it was a weakness, though I did think some may consider it as such ("what, you don't have enough self-control to limit your smartphone usage?"). I'm addressing the fact that self-control is not limitless (even if developed and increased) and that if one's goal is to be more productive, one should feel free to use the tools available to them, which include both modifying one's environment and increasing self-control. And of course any modifications have to fit in with how you want to live your life. If it's crippling, it's not a useful modification. Having a dumbphone may be crippling to some, and liberating to others.
You seem to have dismissed the former entirely with "that doesn't seem sensible to me at all", and here leave it as only a last resort. I don't believe that's a useful way to view it. Use the tools you have available to modify your behavior.
Re:Removing Home Internet Is the Most Productive Thing I've ...
by mozumder on Tuesday April 11, 2017 @12:38AM
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Because you don't have infinite willpower.
Re:Removing Home Internet Is the Most Productive Thing I've ...
by kranner on Tuesday April 11, 2017 @12:43AM
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You don't need "infinite" willpower. You might even need very little once you've changed into a default mode of using your phone less. By the way it's still unclear whether ego-depletion is a real phenomenon AFAIK.
Re:Removing Home Internet Is the Most Productive Thing I've ...
by mozumder on Tuesday April 11, 2017 @02:31AM
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"If people would just eat less they wouldn't be overweight!"
You will need more willpower than what most people have, and so the problem remains.
Now what?
Re:Removing Home Internet Is the Most Productive Thing I've ...
by MaulingMonkey on Tuesday April 11, 2017 @05:46AM
(#14086198)
I'm noticing that for me, simply disrupting the pattern does wonders. A background process that re-bans websites via localhost redirect in my hosts file every few hours does wonders, for example.
A bad habit I can fall into as easily as breathing is a problem.
A bad habit I have to indulge in some effort to perform, puts me in the position of needing willpower to indulge in it!
Re:Removing Home Internet Is the Most Productive Thing I've ...
by tonyedgecombe on Tuesday April 11, 2017 @07:13AM
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Are you disciplining yourself enough, whilst you post here?