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Re:They Used To Last 50 Years by Spooky23 on Sunday March 19, 2017 @09:09PM (#13910931)
Occam's razor goes on a different path if you know a little bit about the guts of the product.

The difference between a top 1% appliance and an average appliance is probably less than $10 of materials and $5 in labor.

Re:They Used To Last 50 Years by user5994461 on Sunday March 19, 2017 @09:24PM (#13910986)
Very unlikely.

Once you work in manufacturing you realize that components are actually very expensive, not a $10 joke.

Re:They Used To Last 50 Years by Spooky23 on Monday March 20, 2017 @10:29AM (#13914477)
The spectacular failures in these products that I've seen in the last decade were all skimping.

In the case of a refrigerator, the manufacturer undersized the motor, probably to meet some efficiency standard. The previous years model had an adequate motor, which worked much better.

I've also seen cases (Whirlpool refrigerators) where they included a rubber nipple that was too narrow, and would either freeze up and clog with biofilm. End result was icing of the condenser and evaporator. (Here's a description of the problem: https://partsdr.com/blog/w10619951-updated-drain-tube-fix-ki... )

Re:They Used To Last 50 Years by mtdewcmu on Sunday March 19, 2017 @09:36PM (#13911042)
I know that weight makes a big difference when shipping parts or complete machines. So the cost of shipping magnifies when you use heavier materials.
Re:They Used To Last 50 Years by tonyedgecombe on Monday March 20, 2017 @03:58AM (#13912476)
Perhaps when we buy applicances we should just choose the heaviest one.
Re:They Used To Last 50 Years by Tepix on Monday March 20, 2017 @05:43AM (#13912825)
I remember when I disassembled a VCR I was suprised to find a lead weight in it.
Re:They Used To Last 50 Years by richthegeek on Monday March 20, 2017 @09:23AM (#13913935)
Presumably to help dampen vibrations from all the spinning parts?
Re:They Used To Last 50 Years by M_Grey on Monday March 20, 2017 @01:57PM (#13916226)
Definitely, you'd have bits rattling around otherwise, and maybe even some harmonic issues. Even if it wasn't a noise issue, it would probably wear out the tapes a lot faster, and lead to more jams.

Then of course, you have Beatz headphones, which really are the next best thing to a scam.

Re:They Used To Last 50 Years by Tepix on Tuesday March 21, 2017 @09:01AM (#13921759)
You're probably correct. At the time I thought it was done to make it feel higher quality.
Re:They Used To Last 50 Years by gmac on Monday March 20, 2017 @10:48AM (#13914648)
If that becomes a popular rule then unfortunately it's fantastically easily gamed.
Re:They Used To Last 50 Years by M_Grey on Sunday March 19, 2017 @09:45PM (#13911085)
Compare the average <$1000 fridge/freezer combo, with a Sub Zero model. My mother has one she's kept running for over 25 years...

Meanwhile my cheap apartment-scale fridge was made with chewing gum and hope.

Re:They Used To Last 50 Years by x0x0 on Monday March 20, 2017 @02:02AM (#13912092)
That 25 year old refrigerator is almost certainly very expensive to operate. Look at the energy use over time: 1990 -> 2015 saw a halving of power usage (1000 kWh/y -> 500 kWh/y) -- over a ten year lifespan with CA electricity at $0.19/kWh, that's $950 in increased energy expenditure as compared to a new refrigerator. ie it would be close to free.

http://aceee.org/blog/2014/09/how-your-refrigerator-has-kept...

For refrigerators at least, it doesn't make sense to make them robust enough to last more than 10-15 years since it's worth it to replace them over that time period. My understanding is the vast majority of refrigerators are then recycled. All those metals are valuable.

Re:They Used To Last 50 Years by DanBC on Monday March 20, 2017 @05:46AM (#13912837)
> All those metals are valuable.

And all those refrigerants need to be collected to prevent release to the atmosphere.

Re:They Used To Last 50 Years by kalleboo on Monday March 20, 2017 @04:55AM (#13912666)
When I moved in with my wife, we replaced her 10-year old bachelor-sized fridge with a new one that was over 3x bigger and the new one had nearly the exact same power draw...
Re:They Used To Last 50 Years by masklinn on Monday March 20, 2017 @09:08AM (#13913802)
That makes a lot of sense though, a bigger fridge can have better circuit and insulation and will have a significantly larger "cold inertia".
Re:They Used To Last 50 Years by IgorPartola on Sunday March 19, 2017 @11:26PM (#13911456)
A deep freezer is a very different beast. It is a simpler appliance with very basic components. Far fewer things to break than your combo which has to precisely regulate the temperature and has auto de-icing. I grew up with fridges that needed to be de-iced every few months. Those didn't break much either.
Re:They Used To Last 50 Years by M_Grey on Sunday March 19, 2017 @11:59PM (#13911561)
Sub Zero is a brand, it's not a deep freezer.
Re:They Used To Last 50 Years by rconti on Monday March 20, 2017 @11:39AM (#13915064)
I believe Sub Zero still has sub-average lifespan.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/18176916/ns/business-consumer_news...