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Re:Suicides in Rural America Increased More Than 40% in 16 Y... by dragonwriter on Sunday March 19, 2017 @01:27AM (#13905405)
> It's lack of opportunity. What is your answer to that?

There is none. The entire history of civilization is a shift of economic activity from outside of cities to cities, and, in terms of long term trends, is unlikely that ever changes in the foreseeable future.

"Rural America" can't, really, have it's fortunes reversed any more than obsolete industries in urban America can; all that can be done in either case is to help people transition out of them. That's perhaps not the answer people want to hear, but anyone saying anything else is lying to exploit their pain and probably facilitating their destruction.

Re:Suicides in Rural America Increased More Than 40% in 16 Y... by goolulusaurs on Sunday March 19, 2017 @09:38AM (#13906976)
I don't really think this is necessarily true. If the number of people who have jobs that can be worked remotely continues to increase, and if the possibilities of virtual office space can be realized than cities might become less appealing.

The main draw of cities is higher wages and greater social activity, but these are things that are decreasingly necessary to do in person, especially as VR adoption increases. As it becomes more possible to work and socialize online/in VR the incentives could shift so that it makes more sense for people to work online in high paying information worker jobs but paired with the low cost of living out in the countryside.

If this is the case it would be an interesting reversal of the current historical trend towards greater centralization, but this kind of decentralization wouldn't be unprecedented. I think you greatly overstate the extent to which rural America is doomed. If anything, it would seem that as economic opportunities become more evenly distributed over the globe due to the proliferation of information technology that people would come to prefer living rurally, especially since evidence suggests that people living in rural areas are happier on average[1].

[1] http://www.citylab.com/housing/2016/06/the-price-of-happines...

Re:Suicides in Rural America Increased More Than 40% in 16 Y... by ryandrake on Sunday March 19, 2017 @02:31PM (#13908797)
Careful what you wish for. If your job can be done from Nowheresville, Kansas, it can be done from India. My guess is that remote work will bypass rural USA.
Re:Suicides in Rural America Increased More Than 40% in 16 Y... by loeg on Sunday March 19, 2017 @02:35PM (#13908815)
Timezones still matter. It is a big pain to work with teams in a timezone 12 hours away.
Re:Suicides in Rural America Increased More Than 40% in 16 Y... by closeparen on Sunday March 19, 2017 @06:23PM (#13910029)
People in low COL countries can be paid enough to work 3rd shift for much less than the cost differential between a 3rd world slum and a Nowheresville KS house.
Re:Suicides in Rural America Increased More Than 40% in 16 Y... by loeg on Sunday March 19, 2017 @11:36PM (#13911477)
Depends on the job. We don't expect our software engineers in India to work nightshift or live in slums.
Re:Suicides in Rural America Increased More Than 40% in 16 Y... by jbhatab on Sunday March 19, 2017 @01:54AM (#13905517)
I respect the honesty here. Basically we are moving towards cities and we need to move faster. Maybe that is the answer and we start a migration plan? Not sure.

But I'd at least like to see some people in the cities say 'we honestly don't care about rural people and they need to adapt'. That would sit better with me.

Re:Suicides in Rural America Increased More Than 40% in 16 Y... by dragonwriter on Sunday March 19, 2017 @02:56AM (#13905704)
> Basically we are moving towards cities and we need to move faster

Not necessarily. It might be possible and even desirable to slow some aspects of it down, but not wind the clock in reverse.

> But I'd at least like to see some people in the cities say 'we honestly don't care about rural people and they need to adapt'.

It's not a matter of not caring about rural people (or urban people who have been surviving off industries that are on the way out, or that once survived off industries that are gone that they wish would come back); caring about the people demands dealing with them honestly and doing the things that can mitigate harms to them from the transition, not trying to pretend that the world is going to rewind to some past state for them.

Re:Suicides in Rural America Increased More Than 40% in 16 Y... by TuringNYC on Sunday March 19, 2017 @02:18AM (#13905597)
I dont know many people in cities who would say they dont care about rural populations. Most city-folks (i hate the false dichotomy here, but lets continue with it) I know care very much, but realize there are no quick fixes. The longer-term fixes are to improve education and increase mobility by de-linking health-care from employers.

I hung out with plenty of 1%er conservatives (rural Connecticut hedge fund) and plenty of progressives (in my neighborhood in Brooklyn.) I rarely saw any empathy amongst wealthy, elite sub-urbanite hedge fund crowds.

As for quick-fixes, the only quick fix I've seen so far is one that will come at a huge cost -- deregulating environmental controls. I agree this will seriously increase rural job opportunities, but it will come at a long-term cost as those factories dump chemicals into local areas. Now that the EPA is being gutted, I can see that happening.

Re:Suicides in Rural America Increased More Than 40% in 16 Y... by jsymolon on Sunday March 19, 2017 @11:20AM (#13907591)
> deregulating environmental controls. ... as those factories dump chemicals into local areas ...

Nope, Nope, Nope.

See: 1970's, burning rivers, toxic smog, many "Superfund sites" that STILL haven't been cleaned up.

http://americandecadesboyle.wikispaces.com/Environmentalism+...

Not sure if fracking is an environmental issue, but a study says it is.

http://www.newsweek.com/fracking-wells-tainting-drinking-wat...

Re:Suicides in Rural America Increased More Than 40% in 16 Y... by dukeluke on Sunday March 19, 2017 @10:35AM (#13907305)
>The longer-term fixes are to improve education...

Being highly educated does not matter if you can't get a job. Also, a balanced economy shouldn't require everyone to be highly educated.

Re:Suicides in Rural America Increased More Than 40% in 16 Y... by TuringNYC on Sunday March 19, 2017 @11:13AM (#13907535)
You are absolutely correct. I should clarify that education also includes vocational education. However, I was actually speaking about K-12 -- the foundation for whatever one might wish to do later in life (university, vocational school.) I'm incredibly lucky that our big city (NYC) offers excellent public magnet schools, albeit obtained by exam+ambition+drive+luck. My friends in rural areas (mostly doctors) tell me that is rarely the case for their children in rural areas.
Re:Suicides in Rural America Increased More Than 40% in 16 Y... by justin66 on Monday March 20, 2017 @10:21AM (#13914427)
> But I'd at least like to see some people in the cities say 'we honestly don't care about rural people and they need to adapt'. That would sit better with me.

What a willful misunderstanding of the other position.

If someone said to you, while commiserating over some kind of economic hardship you were experiencing, that you ought to move into their town or even live on their street, would that seem to you equivalent to their saying that they "honestly don't care about" you?

Re:Suicides in Rural America Increased More Than 40% in 16 Y... by curuinor on Sunday March 19, 2017 @02:16AM (#13905590)
There were mass depopulations of cities at the end of the Western Roman (due to Germanic invaders), Eastern Roman (due to Muslim invaders), Abbasid (due to Mongols) and certain of the Chinese (due to Mongols, Xiongnu, etc etc) empires. This was not exactly good for economic activity.
Re:Suicides in Rural America Increased More Than 40% in 16 Y... by arethuza on Sunday March 19, 2017 @09:29AM (#13906918)
I seem to remember reading descriptions of the collapse of the Roman Empire in Britain and they seemed to be suggesting that it was economic collapse that led to depopulation of cities and towns - you can't survive in a city if there is no functioning economy to provide you with food and other necessities in exchange for money.