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Re:Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up by DannyBee on Sunday March 05, 2017 @12:57PM (#13797297)
"Byproduct of mobile." If you need evidence:

Swift appeared in IOS first and still is not great on the desktop at all.

APFS (not AFS) is the default in IOS, and still in feature preview and pretty unusable in 10.12. It's "expected" it will be released for desktop in 2017

Siri on the desktop is mostly useless, as said here.

Re:Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up by owenwil on Sunday March 05, 2017 @01:01PM (#13797324)
Right - that's simply a result of what I say in the post about Apple focusing on iOS first, then letting the byproduct of that filter down into OS X. That's a end-result of the Mac team being merged into the iOS team. Maybe it's not bad, but it just means slower overall progress.
Re:Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up by comex on Sunday March 05, 2017 @05:31PM (#13799222)
For APFS, I don't buy that it has anything to do with prioritizing one operating system or the other. APFS wasn't ready when Sierra was released, which is why it was included as a beta with limited functionality. It seems to be ready now, so it will be included in the next version of iOS (10.3), which is still in beta, and presumably the next major release of macOS.

The only difference is that it's being released in a minor update to iOS but will probably wait for a major update to macOS. But that makes sense, because macOS allows the user to customize partitions and filesystems, and allows running other operating systems - including Boot Camp, which Apple itself must provide drivers for, and Linux, which is waiting on Apple releasing documentation for their filesystem, as they have promised to do. By contrast, iOS has the same partition layout on every single device and no cross-OS compatibility concerns. Thus APFS on macOS requires more work and has greater risk of failure. For both reasons, regardless of Apple's priorities, it would be logical to start with iOS. Even if Apple did add stable APFS support to a minor macOS update, they probably want to auto-convert users to APFS eventually, but doing so in a minor update would definitely piss off technical users; they could make it opt-in to start with, but it's easier to just wait.

The next version of macOS is only a few months away; really not a big deal.

(I agree that Apple seems to be prioritizing iOS in some areas; I just don't think APFS is one of them.)

Re:Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up by coldtea on Sunday March 05, 2017 @01:02PM (#13797335)
>Swift appeared in IOS first

Which makes perfect sense. We talk to our phones all the time anyway, and hands-free is crucial. For desktop, not so much.

>APFS (not AFS) is the default in IOS, and still in feature preview and pretty unusable in 10.12. It's "expected" it will be released for desktop in 2017

Which makes perfect sense. A constrained environment without an exposed filesystem like iOS is easier to convert to a new FS. A full blown desktop OS not so much. That's why it needs much more testing and development to deliver the latter.

But they ARE doing this testing and development.

(Btw, APFS is not "the default in iOS" yet. It will be when 10.3 is released -- it is still in beta atm).

Re:Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up by addicted on Sunday March 05, 2017 @01:10PM (#13797406)
I agree it makes sense.

But it also indicates that Apple isn't really designing for the Mac as the author points out.

I mean, Siri is the biggest feature Apple is touting for Sierra (http://www.apple.com/macos/sierra/). And as you point out, it's something that doesn't even make all that much sense on the Mac.

Re:Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up by Turing_Machine on Sunday March 05, 2017 @02:33PM (#13798016)
I may be in the minority here, but I find Siri just about as annoying as the old Clippit thingie in Microsoft Office. It's the first thing I turn off.
Re:Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up by coldtea on Sunday March 05, 2017 @01:13PM (#13797433)
>But it also indicates that Apple isn't really designing for the Mac as the author points out.

Maybe they don't but I don't see them doing anything major on the iOS side either. Both platforms are quite mature by now anyway.

(And Apple was never about revolutionary new designs and jumps. Back in the day of the iPod and early MBPs etc, we cheered and waited anxiously for at best incremental changes -- now it has USB, now it has a different touch wheel, now it has a color screen, now it has wifi, now it does video, etc, year over year).

>And as you point out, it's something that doesn't even make all that much sense on the Mac.

Yes, but people (and pundits) have been asking for it all the same to appear on the Mac anyway.

And "talking to your computer" has been a thing from the times of 50's sci-fi stories even.

Re:Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up by jsgo on Sunday March 05, 2017 @01:39PM (#13797638)
I'm sure they'll figure it out at some point, but the mystique of Apple only releasing something when it was "ready" has been over for a while now. So not only did it come later, it was less evolved than the Windows implementation a year prior. Cortana felt useful from day one for various tasks. Siri? Only in a subset cases.
Re:Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up by yborg on Sunday March 05, 2017 @02:08PM (#13797853)
Siri is a humiliating embarrassment. There is no other way to describe it. The only time I ever use it is for comedic relief, or to demonstrate the obvious superiority of either Google's, Microsoft's, or Amazon's implementations. To Apple, it's just another in a long series of marketing-driven features rolled out into some perceived white space in the competitive landscape and then abandoned. It's ridiculous that something so potentially game-changing to enable non-technical users, which is theoretically the market Apple thinks it owns, has gotten such short shrift at Apple, even in the face of growing (and superior) competition.
Re:Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up by voltagex_ on Sunday March 05, 2017 @06:38PM (#13799592)
> The only time I ever use it is for comedic relief, or to demonstrate the obvious superiority of either Google's, Microsoft's, or Amazon's implementations.

Curious here - can you give some examples? Siri seems to work better (on friends' devices) than "OK Google" on my Moto X.

Re:Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up by toxik on Sunday March 05, 2017 @02:21PM (#13797933)
I don't know how well Cortana works, but Siri works very well for English. It is passable in Swedish for every-day language (like "påminn mig att köpa mjölk ägg och smör" will be fine) whereas anything remotely technical or heaven forbid English will be a jumbled mess. Google is understandably leaps and bounds ahead of Apple, and it's not surprising that there is essentially nothing in the field of machine learning coming out of Apple, whereas Google is basically _the_ ML company on Earth right now.
Re:Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up by mdekkers on Sunday March 05, 2017 @01:36PM (#13797612)
Apple was never about revolutionary new designs and jumps.

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/apple

Re:Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up by graphememes on Sunday March 05, 2017 @11:30PM (#13800714)
Yeah our desktops are just the thing we use to make those, no big deal really
Re:Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up by madeofpalk on Sunday March 05, 2017 @04:17PM (#13798726)
> APFS (not AFS) is the default in IOS

Well, it will be when that beta iOS is released.

Besides, it makes sense for any sort of file system to be released first in such a limited manner.

Re:Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up by DannyBee on Friday March 10, 2017 @11:37PM (#13844252)
Uh You realize they make more phones than desktops, right? By like a factor of 10 at least :)

So the limited manner would be to release it to desktop?

Re:Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up by antfarm on Monday March 06, 2017 @03:55AM (#13801509)
In what sense is Swift not great on the desktop at all?