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Re:A profound apology by argonaut on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @12:03AM (#13761308)
Something that struck me is: almost half of the country would disagree with you (the more conservative half). A lot of the American public believes what Kalanick said to be very true when it comes to low-ish income people complaining about what wealthier people do to them.
Re:A profound apology by gingerbread-man on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @01:05AM (#13761603)
In my experience, it isn't the wealthy who think the poor are lazy/irresponsible-- it's the working poor and the lower middle class. The "more conservative half" of the country isn't particularly the wealthier half of the country. Speculating as to why that is would probably overflow this comments section.
Re:A profound apology by lazyasciiart on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @03:35AM (#13762257)
I know a lot of well off programmers who absolutely believe that the only reason anyone isn't a well off programmer is laziness and poor character. Don't know how you're making your class divisions, but I certainly wouldn't call them lower middle class or below.
Re:A profound apology by gingerbread-man on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @07:59AM (#13763307)
Many lower-middle-class Americans look down on the poor because they see themselves on equal footing, and believe that "If I can work two jobs and make ends meet, so could s/he if s/he had the work ethic."

The most arrogant programmers I know seem to think the exact opposite: that they are among the elite few graced with the gift of true programming intuition. (Not true.) They don't think the poor are lazy, they think the poor are helpless and un-talented.

Re:A profound apology by frgtpsswrdlame on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @12:43PM (#13766135)
Sure, but those are just two different ways to achieving the same goal: a feeling of superiority.
Re:A profound apology by inimino on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @12:28PM (#13765925)
It's absolutely a true statement, and it is absolutely and completely an inappropriate tone for the CEO of a company to take toward someone that just got fucked over by his company's changing policies, after his company pushed people into taking out loans they can't realistically afford.

It's like Taleb's stuff about skin in the game--Kalanick pushed the risk of his business model onto drivers like this one while keeping the upside for himself. When the driver got screwed by Kalanick's pricing changes, he comes back with technicalities and finally blames the guy for not taking responsibility. Talk about projection!

That's the reason why this is disrespectful to the driver. Kalanick minimizes his loss and refuses to take any responsibility for it himself, despite the fact that the only real mistake the driver made was trusting Uber.

Re:A profound apology by MaxfordAndSons on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @12:24PM (#13765868)
So many (seemingly) intractable issues in contemporary life regress back to the question of personal responsibility.

It's a difficult thing to push back on, because even those of us most sympathetic a complex-systems based understanding of inequality don't want to completely give up on the value of personal responsibility, as to do so would be to tacitly give up the belief in free will. But if we grant that each individual does have some degree of agency and responsibility, then the libertarian side immediately points to any number of self made/rags to riches individuals and says "So? Stop complaining and do that!". But why can't they admit that it's an issue of degrees?

Sure, you have some agency in improving your situation, but if you're born less advantaged the systemic factors arrayed against you make it significantly harder to leverage your agency to improve your lot. Just because some lucky few do rise from rags to riches doesn't mean that a winner take most, predatory lottery system will create the best outcome for the most.

Is it a failure of human probabilistic intuition? Or is it a more malicious effort to control and frame the debate, pushed by those who benefit from the unequal system? Probably both.

Re:A profound apology by Hydraulix989 on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @12:29AM (#13761432)
What a useful spell they are all under then, how could the wealthy ever brainwash them to "buy into" such an exploitative system so effectively?
Re:A profound apology by MaxfordAndSons on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @12:13PM (#13765706)
Dunno if you're being /s or not but there are myriad serious answers, most of them pointing back to the elevation of predatory capitalism to an quasi-religious ideology, often intermixed with judaeo-christian symbolism and messaging.
Re:A profound apology by throwaway91111 on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @01:03AM (#13761592)
Yes, because conservative people don't complain.

In reality, it's a dismissal indicating a lack of respect and/or lack of any fucks to give. Yes, I'd say that's about half the country.

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Re:A profound apology by humanrebar on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @07:03AM (#13763053)
...and the "other half" (as if there are only two perspectives) scapegoat just as handily: corporations, racist people, sexist people, homophobic people, Russian hackers, Fox News, the bourgeois, disloyal white women, people who "vote against their interests", patriotic people, spiritual people, uneducated people, cherry-picked structural injustice, and pretty much anything that doesn't support their preconceived notions of the world.

I'm frankly tired of people seeing problems and immediately outgrouping others, attaching blame, and spewing hate. This will continue to be a disease in our culture until people can learn to understand and disagree and live and let live.

Re:A profound apology by acjohnson55 on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @09:41AM (#13763940)
For many progressives I know, those things are blamed indeed, but for society's problems, not their own. There's a real difference there, deriving from the difference in political philosophy. Broadly speaking, the left believes that if you address structural social issues, individuals will eventually have paths to succeed. The right believes that if everyone focuses on the problems they themselves experience, society will eventually improve. Either ethic can be applied in the extreme with disastrous results.
Re:A profound apology by humanrebar on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @11:43AM (#13765290)
> ...those things are blamed indeed, but for society's problems, not their own.

That's a good point in some cases. But in many cases that doesn't hold. Meryl Streep outgrouped popular, middle American, and "lowbrow" culture(s) when ranting about how they impact on her job. Gay marriage and abortion views are certainly personal complaints as well as social ones. Distaste for spiritual people typically stems from a personal grudge more than a dry academic philosophy about the social impact of disagreements about metaphysical reality or something. How about bikes versus cars disputes in urban areas? Or disagreements about Bay Area rent?

I can come up with more examples. I think there's a "I'm just being the rational one here" type of cognitive dissonance from basically all perspectives. Even that attitude holds the seeds for outgrouping (those irrational people!).

Re:A profound apology by morgante on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @02:44AM (#13762068)
So maybe "some people" is actually most people.

In fact, I'd say Travis is 100% correct. Most people out there would rather blame someone else for their problems than take personal responsibility.

Re:A profound apology by coldtea on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @08:56AM (#13763624)
>Most people out there would rather blame someone else for their problems than take personal responsibility.

And why not? There are 8 billion people out there, and one of you. And tons of people who came before the person was even born and shaped the place one was born in, were responsible for their childhood, designed their education programs etc. And of course others are in power and shape policy.

Who is more likely to have created/sustain the situations affecting someone? Themselves or the tons of others?

Re:A profound apology by dllthomas on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @09:13AM (#13763720)
This is balanced, to some degree, by locality and focus. I leave open the question of how it all nets out.
Re:A profound apology by coldtea on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @09:34AM (#13763880)
For a slave in ancient Rome, for example, it would be quite absurd to consider himself responsible for his fate.

A few opportunities aside, I'm not sure it's much different for a modern person.

Re:A profound apology by timthelion on Wednesday March 01, 2017 @04:40AM (#13762524)
Only, in some cases, people actually have another person to blame... Like in the case of this driver.