Can you point out any significant press coverage of Trump's nastiness that qualifies as "irrational"?
If the press reports on Trump's nastiness, does that make the press nasty?
Sure but I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader.
"As appealing as it might be for some people to believe your comment it doesn't pass the basic sniff test."
- mythrwy, 13 days ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13620408
You aren't going to be able to "prove me wrong" because what we are talking about here is largely a matter of nuance and opinion. Or manifest and obvious fact if you'd rather see it like that. I know what facts I see. Feel free to register your disagreement.
Hence that whole Flynn thing. Or did Trump fire a guy over a fake story?
You seem to think you're a professor we're all dying to listen to. Make a point or get the fuck out.
No matter what the behavior of other users it's never okay on HN to be uncivil.
Everybody's political feelings are inflamed these days, so we all need to work together to prevent this site from going down in flames.
I understand and accept some people disagree and probably have valid reasons for doing so. Fine. Accepted.
But back the original point, I just don't understand nor get on any level the mouth foaming hatred. It doesn't appear rational. Seems like disagreement would be enough and so much more effective.
Similar for leaks, which are always going to happen. You can't stop leaks, but you can prevent bad things from leaking by not doing bad things.
Absolutism without the admission of nuance historically leads down a dark road with a pit at the end.
I understand you think Trump is wrong and liar. But that doesn't excuse the behavior of the press in this regard. They do themselves no favors and neither do those who aren't "overreacting" while spewing vitriol.
Nastiness and lack of good manners isn't my preferred response to lack of good manners. Because if it keeps escalating it winds up in a very bad place.
There was a time people were close enough to a natural state they knew this. They bowed. They chose their words carefully and respectfully. They treated others, even strangers, by custom with a measure of consideration. And there likely were good evolutionary reasons for this which we have apparently forgotten. Now we figure with a credit card and a laptop we can do whatever and civilization will protect us. But this is just an artificial (albeit important) construct.
You might not like Trump, and you might have good reasons but the above is true all the same. And, he is sitting president of the USA right now, irrespective of how you feel about him, his platforms and his supporters.
The amount of vitriol involving Trump is ridiculous. It really is. I'm not saying Trump has good manners (because he doesn't) but the press hasn't been many steps behind in utter nastiness. And they have, in most cases, stopped even pretending to be objective. It's gotten where I can't even watch or read the news anymore. It's just irrational nastiness from one side or the other with zero nuance.
I don't know where this all ends if we stay on the trajectory. Gang warfare and cutting off heads maybe. Seems the veneer of civilization indeed might be pretty thin. Maybe we might have to relearn the hard way about the things we take for granted in the social order.