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Re:White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing by mythrwy on Friday February 24, 2017 @03:07PM (#13727342)
Ya, well the press's treatment of Trump has been a bit one sided. And well out of proportion to his actual comments and deeds.

You might not like Trump, and you might have good reasons but the above is true all the same. And, he is sitting president of the USA right now, irrespective of how you feel about him, his platforms and his supporters.

The amount of vitriol involving Trump is ridiculous. It really is. I'm not saying Trump has good manners (because he doesn't) but the press hasn't been many steps behind in utter nastiness. And they have, in most cases, stopped even pretending to be objective. It's gotten where I can't even watch or read the news anymore. It's just irrational nastiness from one side or the other with zero nuance.

I don't know where this all ends if we stay on the trajectory. Gang warfare and cutting off heads maybe. Seems the veneer of civilization indeed might be pretty thin. Maybe we might have to relearn the hard way about the things we take for granted in the social order.

Re:White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing by runesoerensen on Friday February 24, 2017 @03:15PM (#13727439)
> It's just irrational nastiness

Can you point out any significant press coverage of Trump's nastiness that qualifies as "irrational"?

If the press reports on Trump's nastiness, does that make the press nasty?

Re:White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing by mythrwy on Friday February 24, 2017 @03:18PM (#13727479)
"Can you point out any significant press coverage of Trump's nastiness that qualifies as "irrational"?"

Sure but I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader.

Re:White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing by runesoerensen on Friday February 24, 2017 @03:32PM (#13727612)
Seems like substantiating your allegation would increase the likelihood of being taken seriously -- or proven wrong, of course, which is what I'll assume you are as long as you are unwilling to prove it.

"As appealing as it might be for some people to believe your comment it doesn't pass the basic sniff test."

- mythrwy, 13 days ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13620408

Re:White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing by mythrwy on Friday February 24, 2017 @03:39PM (#13727666)
Thanks for going back through my old comments. I love it when people take me seriously enough to investigate.

You aren't going to be able to "prove me wrong" because what we are talking about here is largely a matter of nuance and opinion. Or manifest and obvious fact if you'd rather see it like that. I know what facts I see. Feel free to register your disagreement.

Re:White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing by res0nat0r on Friday February 24, 2017 @03:48PM (#13727749)
Look everyone understands Trump hates newspapers that call him out on his lies which is why he banned them, it is pretty straightforward.

Hence that whole Flynn thing. Or did Trump fire a guy over a fake story?

Re:White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing by vikasg on Friday February 24, 2017 @04:32PM (#13728109)
> Sure but I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader.

You seem to think you're a professor we're all dying to listen to. Make a point or get the fuck out.

Re:White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing by grzm on Friday February 24, 2017 @04:43PM (#13728207)
Make a point or get the fuck out.

No matter what the behavior of other users it's never okay on HN to be uncivil.

Re:White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing by vikasg on Friday February 24, 2017 @04:52PM (#13728267)
The use of the word 'fuck' doesn't mean it's uncivil. I'm merely making a point as forcefully as the subject demands.
Re:White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing by grzm on Friday February 24, 2017 @05:05PM (#13728370)
Suggesting someone should leave a forum because you don't have the patience to read what they are writing is uncivil. Just don't read it and move on.
Re:White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing by mythrwy on Friday February 24, 2017 @05:10PM (#13728411)
My point is in the original post but you are making it so much better than I ever could.
Re:White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing by donwan on Friday February 24, 2017 @05:39PM (#13728601)
You haven't made point one. Give it a fucking rest.
Re:White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing by dang on Saturday February 25, 2017 @01:05AM (#13730310)
We've banned this account for breaking the HN guidelines. Would you please stop creating accounts to do this with?

Everybody's political feelings are inflamed these days, so we all need to work together to prevent this site from going down in flames.

Re:White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing by mythrwy on Saturday February 25, 2017 @11:14AM (#13732163)
I probably kept it going for further than I should have also. Apologies.

I understand and accept some people disagree and probably have valid reasons for doing so. Fine. Accepted.

But back the original point, I just don't understand nor get on any level the mouth foaming hatred. It doesn't appear rational. Seems like disagreement would be enough and so much more effective.

Re:White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing by a3n on Friday February 24, 2017 @03:19PM (#13727484)
If you don't want ludicrous news reports, don't do ludicrous things. The press is going to report what happens and what's said, colored by each outlet's direction and strength of bias. But if there's something to report, it's going to be reported.

Similar for leaks, which are always going to happen. You can't stop leaks, but you can prevent bad things from leaking by not doing bad things.

Re:White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing by b_t_s on Friday February 24, 2017 @04:26PM (#13728063)
One sided. The side of truth and sanity. The man tells a steady stream of blatant lies. He doesn't even care if they're readily objectively disprovable. The media should have been shredding him like this for over a year now. That's literally their job. I have major, major differences with every one of his opponents in the primaries, but they're all reasonably sane and professional and I wouldn't be complaining terribly if any of them won(even the equally inexperienced Carson). Only Trump is a pathological liar with a total disregard for the institutions that have kept our country safe, prosperous, and democratic for two centuries. We're not overreacting. I have literally had an acquaintance who is a huge Trump supporter and annoyed at the protests tell me that maybe Trump should have the military run the country and then things would be a lot better. Normally I would have been shocked by that statement, but that seems to be pretty much par for the course in Trumpland.
Re:White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing by mythrwy on Friday February 24, 2017 @05:17PM (#13728447)
"The side of truth and sanity".

Absolutism without the admission of nuance historically leads down a dark road with a pit at the end.

I understand you think Trump is wrong and liar. But that doesn't excuse the behavior of the press in this regard. They do themselves no favors and neither do those who aren't "overreacting" while spewing vitriol.

Re:White House Bars NYT, CNN, and Politico from Briefing by mythrwy on Friday February 24, 2017 @03:17PM (#13727471)
I'm not complaining about downvotes because I don't care but the downvotes on this post are pretty clear evidence of exactly what I'm talking about.

Nastiness and lack of good manners isn't my preferred response to lack of good manners. Because if it keeps escalating it winds up in a very bad place.

There was a time people were close enough to a natural state they knew this. They bowed. They chose their words carefully and respectfully. They treated others, even strangers, by custom with a measure of consideration. And there likely were good evolutionary reasons for this which we have apparently forgotten. Now we figure with a credit card and a laptop we can do whatever and civilization will protect us. But this is just an artificial (albeit important) construct.