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Re:Starting an Internet Service Provider by dboreham on Monday February 20, 2017 @08:21PM (#13692483)
I feel I need to write the inverse article "Stopping an Internet Service Provider", since I just shut down mine.

Although this stuff can be great fun, you have to stop and ask yourself why the market is "under served" and why there isn't already some dude supplying these customers, driving around the city in his Lexus and waxing his new boat on the weekends.

The unfortunate truth is that there just isn't that great a business there, especially in light of its quite high capital costs and quite significant risks.

It is a business that suits larger players who can spread the fixed costs across many cities. It is a business that suits providers offering a basket of services, not just IP transit (TV, Phone, value-added network services). It is a business that demands either a) high price boutique offerings (e.g. the people you end up buying your upstream connectivity from) or b) rock-bottom/who-cares-about-quality, high-volume products (e.g. Charter/Comcast). A small new player can't compete in either of those markets.

I could go on, but really : would you be super-excited if you had the idea to build better electricity transmission lines to a bunch of folk; or a better sewer system? No. And the reality is that IP connectivity is not much different to these other utilities.

Re:Starting an Internet Service Provider by mildlyclassic on Monday February 20, 2017 @10:26PM (#13693013)
>A small new player can't compete in either of those markets.

We're Wifidabba.com and we're in the current batch of YC. We provide low-cost internet in India at tea-stalls and bakeries. Consumers buy tokens and get access to wifi. In effect, we take a broadband connection and slice it into tiny pieces and sell that as wifi.

I guess in some ways we're an ISP, the government certainly thinks so, we've had to apply for an ISP license.

We're only a few months old, but we're reasonably profitable and the future looks good.

I think there's room for new ISP's if you're willing to be creative about how to grow the number of customers you want to reach. For example, we're getting tons of inquiries about being an IOT platform amongst other things.

*edited for clarity

Re:Starting an Internet Service Provider by exadeci on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @05:30PM (#13700720)
Your business plan is a bit different though, you charge on data.

While you are apparently cheap you'll still make more money per GB than an isp that tries to compete on the "Unlimited" plans.

Re:Starting an Internet Service Provider by mildlyclassic on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @06:00PM (#13701002)
Bingo :)
Re:Starting an Internet Service Provider by leog7 on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @03:07AM (#13694120)
Reliance jio is providing 4g data almost for free in india why would i want to buy wifi as well ?
Re:Starting an Internet Service Provider by mildlyclassic on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @03:14AM (#13694149)
So this is something that surprised me as well, especially given we don't offer free plans or a trial.

When we spoke to our users they said the following: - Way faster than Jio (We offer 100mbps) - The price was so low that they didn't mind paying - They don't trust reliance and the ID process of getting a jio connection - It's so cheap and fits in their daily routine of getting chai, cigarette, etc.

Re:Starting an Internet Service Provider by rohmish on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @02:23PM (#13698767)
Jio's 4G data isn't going to last forever. They are going to charge for it someday. Maybe from april, maybe from next year. But one day they will. Also Jio at some places is too slow still.
Re:Starting an Internet Service Provider by rohmish on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @02:19PM (#13698716)
Hmm, went through your website and i like your idea.

What do you use for backhaul? chaiwalas and paanwalas aren't going to have network access in form of fiber or even cable on the street so i guess 4G hotspot? Also, Is there a way people can pay the stall owner some money and get a token from him? People here generally dont prefer online transactions.

Re:Starting an Internet Service Provider by mildlyclassic on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @06:02PM (#13701027)
We use the local isp and get a fibre line to the chai wallah. We help do the kyc, installation and whatever else is necessary.

Tokens are physical and work exactly the way you describe. Pay cash, get wifi.

Re:Starting an Internet Service Provider by bluesign on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @12:13AM (#13693458)
this is mesh network, right? can you tell a bit about your technology?
Re:Starting an Internet Service Provider by mildlyclassic on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @12:19AM (#13693481)
It's a mesh built on low cost custom hardware. Each node is also super powerful with >128gb storage and some nice computation power, with a GPU to boot :) We're looking to be more than just an ISP in the long run.
Re:Starting an Internet Service Provider by jbpetersen on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @01:48AM (#13693792)
For what value of "more than just an ISP"?
Re:Starting an Internet Service Provider by mildlyclassic on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @01:59AM (#13693823)
A sort of AWS style platform for retail. Eg. Are you building a POS or Inventory app or do you want to sell your online goods offline? You can access our merchants and authenticated users that already have a prepaid wallet and are at a retail location predisposed to buying. And because of our connectivity, you don't have to worry if your users have internet.

Or maybe an IOT platform of sorts, for example, you're an FMCG and you want to know that your shipments really did arrive at the location your distributor was supposed to deliver it.

India's a challenging country where > 80% of our retail is fragmented into millions of micro-stores.

Re:Starting an Internet Service Provider by rohmish on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @02:31PM (#13698877)
So using the user's phone just for auth, akin to cards? Nice idea!
Re:Starting an Internet Service Provider by shambolic on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @04:41AM (#13694440)
What do you need the GPU for? The box does not appear to have a display.
Re:Starting an Internet Service Provider by m_shark on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @09:23AM (#13695644)
A distributed machine-learning network for some whatever reason :)
Re:Starting an Internet Service Provider by 0xcde4c3db on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @09:24AM (#13695655)
If you buy a cheap ARM SoC, there's a decent chance that you get a GPU "for free" (in the sense that chips without a GPU turn out to be more expensive).
Re:Starting an Internet Service Provider by sumedh on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @12:08AM (#13693441)
The pricing looks super cheap. All the best.
Re:Starting an Internet Service Provider by mildlyclassic on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @12:21AM (#13693486)
We believe in charging for a good service. We don't ever want to show ads or mess with your connection in any way. thanks !
Re:Starting an Internet Service Provider by chrishacken on Monday February 20, 2017 @09:08PM (#13692665)
> No. And the reality is that IP connectivity is not much different to these other utilities.

I understand where you're coming from, but it is different. You have ample power to power your home; utilities can fulfill whatever your power requirements are.

The same can't be said about IP. I am literally incapable of live streaming from my parents house, no matter how much I'm willing to pay. There's no internet option, among the few available, that are capable of fulfilling my requirements.

Re:Starting an Internet Service Provider by dboreham on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @08:07AM (#13695126)
Yeah no need to explain the situation because I started my own ISP 16 years ago because I bought a house in Montana that the telco assured me could get T1 service. But they lied, so I had to build my own wireless ISP 10 miles out from the nearest town to get service. And to justify the investment in upstream and equipment I decided to serve the "underserved" businesses in town. Been there, have the T-shirt.

Consider the analogy further : if you built a house in a place with no power line, you would expect to either not use much power, or to pay a hefty fee (10's of thousands) to get power brought in. But folks expect to get Internet capable of streaming Netflix 4K (on two screens concurrently) for $50/mo.

Re:Starting an Internet Service Provider by fludlight on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @02:33AM (#13693980)
I agree with you that rural-broadbandification will be as important as rural-electrification was in the '30s. That said, I think that most lucrative (read: capital efficient) business model here is low-bandwidth web sites, not high-bandwidth ISPs. Does a news site really need to ship 2Mb of JS, a 20Mb auto-play video, and 5Mb of ads to communicate 1.5Kb of plain-text? Maybe if your users have fast connections but not if they're in rural Idaho and it takes 2 minutes (that's 2,000 milliseconds) to load a single page.

Edit: numbers

Re:Starting an Internet Service Provider by lotkowskim on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @03:01AM (#13694096)
Small correction 2 minutes is 120000 milliseconds
Re:Starting an Internet Service Provider by wingworks on Monday February 20, 2017 @10:00PM (#13692906)
You could get fibre put in, if your budget is big enough, but I get what you mean.
Re:Starting an Internet Service Provider by ng-user on Monday February 20, 2017 @08:46PM (#13692559)
If you ever get the time, I'd love a written response similar to the OP detailing the contrary.
Re:Starting an Internet Service Provider by dboreham on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @08:10AM (#13695147)
I'll put it on the "articles to write list".