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Re:Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber by twblalock on Sunday February 19, 2017 @04:21PM (#13682049)
If you are sexually harassed, and HR doesn't do anything about it, you should sue. Don't expect HR to change.

If the stories in this article are true, and if the evidence is as strong as the article says it is, this is a slam-dunk case for sexual harassment, hostile work environment, retaliation, etc.

Re:Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber by grey-area on Sunday February 19, 2017 @04:50PM (#13682221)
Suing would have lots of negative consequences, and few upsides. It would take up months of time, be immensely frustrating, stressful and lead other employers to be wary of you in future (even if most wouldn't admit it). Your name would be dragged through the mud by Uber in an attempt to derail the case, and you'd become an online target for haters (as with Ellen Pao). All for some uncertain monetary reward. Who needs that kind of stress and hassle?

Writing this article (which was superb in its incredulous anger) is a better way to get closure IMO, but this should be her decision alone.

Re:Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber by j_s on Sunday February 19, 2017 @05:03PM (#13682299)
Companies such as Uber will continue these destructive behaviors until they face genuine consequences that impact their bottom line.

You have summarized a number of reasons why I would never ask anyone to volunteer to be the one to accomplish this.

This entire episode will hopefully shine some light on the true difficulties that need to be overcome to promote STEM diversity.

Re:Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber by grey-area on Sunday February 19, 2017 @05:21PM (#13682426)
This could lead to genuine consequences, perhaps more than a lawsuit.

Anyway, we shouldn't even be talking about what she is doing, how about the evil actions of Uber?

Re:Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber by exolymph on Sunday February 19, 2017 @05:41PM (#13682573)
> Companies such as Uber will continue these destructive behaviors until they face genuine consequences that impact their bottom line.

Having a hard time recruiting is a serious consequence.

Re:Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber by stickfigure on Sunday February 19, 2017 @05:35PM (#13682531)
If this article catches public attention, Uber will attempt to bring these canons to bear anyway.
Re:Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber by Paul-ish on Monday February 20, 2017 @01:34PM (#13689691)
They will have less ammunition.

In a suit the defendant can paint the person bringing it as a money grabber (like the people did with the McDonalds hot coffee case.) Someone posting a blog has much less to gain personally, so you just look like a jackass if you try to paint them in a negative light unless they are actually a really bad person.

Re:Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber by twblalock on Sunday February 19, 2017 @06:35PM (#13682888)
It's currently the top story on The Verge.
Re:Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber by tyingq on Sunday February 19, 2017 @07:45PM (#13683300)
Including a response from Kalanick...That was fast.
Re:Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber by 0898 on Sunday February 19, 2017 @04:25PM (#13682065)
HR works for the organisation. It's not there to protect you. Source: work in the HR industry.
Re:Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber by twblalock on Sunday February 19, 2017 @04:31PM (#13682101)
This is true, but I should point out that an organization with foresight would not permit harassment of employees, because the long-term cost of the lawsuits and bad publicity will be bad for the organization.
Re:Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber by acjohnson55 on Sunday February 19, 2017 @04:56PM (#13682258)
But Uber's entire business plan is about flouting rules and sustainability so that they can become irreplaceable. The sad fact is that they're probably being entirely rational. What's right is often unprofitable, short-term and long-term. Unless they have a big exodus of talent or customers, even a report this embarrassing is unlikely to slow the juggernaut.
Re:Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber by scott_karana on Sunday February 19, 2017 @07:04PM (#13683070)
That's Uber's strategic focus publically, but HR is an internal department and could conceivably be different, just like how their Marketing team almost certainly doesn't flout (or at least emphasize) flouting of laws.
Re:Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber by raverbashing on Sunday February 19, 2017 @04:33PM (#13682112)
Working for the organization should also mean avoiding potential lawsuits
Re:Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber by eloisant on Sunday February 19, 2017 @05:12PM (#13682370)
Also working for the organization doesn't mean working for that specific middle manager who keeps harassing co-workers.
Re:Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber by mc32 on Sunday February 19, 2017 @04:30PM (#13682098)
Yep. No fan of Ellen Pao, but it seems obvious HR did her no favors over at Kleiner Perkins.
Re:Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber by ForrestN on Sunday February 19, 2017 @04:30PM (#13682094)
Second. The writer and the others should sue, not only to be compensated for their own injuries but to protect others who might be harassed as well.
Re:Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber by josephlord on Sunday February 19, 2017 @07:00PM (#13683054)
There are huge professional and personal costs to suing. She has done more by most to protect others by going public. Isn't her job to fix Uber via lawsuit.
Re:Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber by azernik on Sunday February 19, 2017 @08:11PM (#13683420)
Someone needs to do it. It's not any particular person's duty, and she has definitely gone above and beyond by writing this up, but it would be a great public service for someone to bring a (preferably class-action) lawsuit.
Re:Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber by mandevil on Sunday February 19, 2017 @08:07PM (#13683403)
Everyone is talking about why she didn't sue. Given the way the courts have ruled recently on binding arbitration, is it possible that she has no recourse to actual courts, just to arbiters? (She never says if such a clause was included in her employment contract, but I know that it has been included in the last two contracts that I signed.) Wouldn't that foreclose her opportunity to sue, and just to go into the much less favorable (for her) arbitration process?
Re:Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber by tyingq on Sunday February 19, 2017 @07:40PM (#13683272)
Her choice to write about it might end up being a bigger incentive for change there than a lawsuit.

She tells the story quite well. Probably an ideal story for some journalist(s) to pick up and expand on.

Re:Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber by tyingq on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @03:52PM (#13699817)
For once, I appear to have guessed correctly :)

Enough impact that Uber is now hiring Eric Holder as a lead investigator.

Re:Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber by jannettee on Sunday February 19, 2017 @05:39PM (#13682558)
Uber's employment contract includes an agreement that you won't take them to court.
Re:Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber by MBCook on Sunday February 19, 2017 @08:39PM (#13683553)
Wild guess says that companies can't opt themselves out of sexual harassment laws with a simple clause in their contract.
Re:Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber by Herald_MJ on Sunday February 19, 2017 @05:51PM (#13682647)
Is that legally enforceable?
Re:Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber by emddudley on Sunday February 19, 2017 @06:06PM (#13682736)
Of course not.
Re:Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber by jannettee on Sunday February 19, 2017 @07:10PM (#13683107)
I don't know, but it was certainly scary to see.
Re:Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber by eanzenberg on Sunday February 19, 2017 @06:05PM (#13682733)
No.
Re:Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber by CGamesPlay on Sunday February 19, 2017 @08:21PM (#13683475)
So when you sue them, you also get fired, if you hadn't quit already. I am pretty confident you'd find a similar clause in any company's employment contract, but even if it wasn't there it would be a safe assumption that any lawsuit brought against a current employer would result in termination.
Re:Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber by danaliv on Sunday February 19, 2017 @09:01PM (#13683652)
Suing is great and all, but do you have any idea how hard it is? How much work it is, and how financially and emotionally draining it is? You can't just call up a lawyer, tell them your story, and expect magic justice sprinkles to do the rest. There are retainers to pay, depositions to do, discovery... and the whole process is adversarial _by design_. It's a nightmare. Anyone who's willing to go through it is a goddamn superhero in my book.
Re:Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber by brobinson on Sunday February 19, 2017 @04:33PM (#13682114)
Does Uber require employees to sign an arbitration agreement when they join?
Re:Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber by tubehouse on Sunday February 19, 2017 @05:14PM (#13682385)
Yes
Re:Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber by bsder on Sunday February 19, 2017 @06:20PM (#13682801)
Lawsuits cost enormous amounts of time and effort. A rich company has way more of both than you do.
Re:Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber by JumpCrisscross on Sunday February 19, 2017 @05:22PM (#13682437)
Or report the incident to your state labour commission.
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Re:Reflecting on one very, very strange year at Uber by sctb on Monday February 20, 2017 @07:16PM (#13692182)
We've banned this account.