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Re:Show HN: MovieChat.org – Archive and Replacement for IMDb... by JimSmith84 on Wednesday February 15, 2017 @01:32PM (#13654193)
Hi Everyone,

My name’s Jim, and I created MovieChat.org as an archive and replacement for IMDB’s message boards which are shutting down this week. For those of you not familiar, the IMDb message boards allowed you to discuss any single movie or tv show with others (there was a separate forum for each movie/show). IMDb recently announced they were shutting down the message boards and its users were furious (there's a petition with close to 10k signatures here: https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/petition-to-keep-the-imd...). I ventured out to create an archive (of all the existing posts) and replacement and hence MovieChat.org was born.

Key Features of MovieChat.org:

1. Any movie/show on IMDB is also on MovieChat.org (over 4 million and counting) - we have separate boards for each movie/show, just like IMDB

2. I backed up most of the posts for IMDB’s top 10,000 movies/shows - most existing conversations on IMDB should also appear on MovieChat.org - we have over 3 million posts already (and I'm working non-stop to back up even more from IMDB)!

Please visit http://MovieChat.org, join or start a discussion, and let me know what you think. If you like it, please spread the word. If there’s anything I can improve, just email me ([email protected]) and I’ll get on it.

Jim [email protected]

Re:Show HN: MovieChat.org – Archive and Replacement for IMDb... by dave_sullivan on Wednesday February 15, 2017 @02:52PM (#13654861)
This is awesome and much needed.

Just throwing it out there, but would you consider making a dump of the data you scraped that could be used by data scientists? Maybe as a torrent or something like that? Data about movies and what people say about them could form the basis of a lot of NLP projects.

What other big datasets are there for forum post text data? The reddit dataset most immediately comes to mind, and I've also seen a similar one for HN comments. Any others?

Re:Show HN: MovieChat.org – Archive and Replacement for IMDb... by mynewtb on Wednesday February 15, 2017 @05:06PM (#13655792)
ArchiveTeam's web archives will be available to everyone without restrictions or profit as usual.
Re:Show HN: MovieChat.org – Archive and Replacement for IMDb... by amyjess on Wednesday February 15, 2017 @05:27PM (#13655978)
Well, thanks to your comment, I just found out ArchiveTeam exists.

Thank you!

Re:Show HN: MovieChat.org – Archive and Replacement for IMDb... by kenorb on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @10:00AM (#13695945)
Where you can download the boards?
Re:Show HN: MovieChat.org – Archive and Replacement for IMDb... by JimSmith84 on Wednesday February 15, 2017 @05:18PM (#13655891)
Yeah that's definitely something I could do. Are there any proposed projects you know of that could benefit from this type of data?
Re:Show HN: MovieChat.org – Archive and Replacement for IMDb... by anilgulecha on Thursday February 16, 2017 @12:23AM (#13657927)
Everything from simple sentiment analysis, to archive.org, to another mirror. I hope that does not discourage you from releasing the data.

Edit: I see the other comment about archive team already collecting and releasing this data, for free in an open format. I think that will be a good first source as well.

Re:Show HN: MovieChat.org – Archive and Replacement for IMDb... by waynecolvin on Thursday February 16, 2017 @06:34AM (#13659098)
I think the priority was to reenable discussion of new movies and TV shows, that would be useful moving forward. But maybe they could make an API.
Re:Show HN: MovieChat.org – Archive and Replacement for IMDb... by johnymontana on Thursday February 16, 2017 @01:54AM (#13658185)
I'd love to explore how this data could be used to enhance recommender systems.
Re:Show HN: MovieChat.org – Archive and Replacement for IMDb... by endymi0n on Thursday February 16, 2017 @01:59AM (#13658193)
AFAIK, Jinni is doing exactly that.
Re:Show HN: MovieChat.org – Archive and Replacement for IMDb... by otoburb on Wednesday February 15, 2017 @02:55PM (#13654883)
Thank you for this. I'm curious if IMDB considers their (soon to be former) forum posts under copyright, or if you already have a plan in place.

One actually hopes that IMDB doesn't in fact have any claim on posts written by users that happened to be hosted on their site.

Re:Show HN: MovieChat.org – Archive and Replacement for IMDb... by kristianp on Wednesday February 15, 2017 @09:17PM (#13657357)
From http://www.imdb.com/board/announcement

"...disable our message boards on February 3, 2017 but will leave them open for two additional weeks so that users will have ample time to archive any message board content they'd like to keep for personal use."

Note the "personal use" above. Is a website like MovieChat.org considered personal use?

From http://www.imdb.com/conditions , section Copyright: "The compilation of all content included in or made available through any IMDb Service is the exclusive property of IMDb...".

Re:Show HN: MovieChat.org – Archive and Replacement for IMDb... by JimSmith84 on Wednesday February 15, 2017 @03:12PM (#13655008)
Yeah that's a good question. Before I became an engineer I practiced IP/copyright law. Also spoke (colloquially) with a few ppl at the company.

I did my homework before starting this project and I'm confident we're in a good position :)

Re:Show HN: MovieChat.org – Archive and Replacement for IMDb... by Guest98123 on Wednesday February 15, 2017 @04:11PM (#13655377)
Could you explain why you think you're in a good position? From what I understand, the comments are owned by the users, and by posting them to IMDb, they allowed IMDb and their affiliates the right to use them.

The users did not give you permission to use their data, and you're not associated with IMDb, and therefore do not inherit the rights.

Lastly, IMDb specifically states that scraping or extracting data is forbidden without written consent.

Re:Show HN: MovieChat.org – Archive and Replacement for IMDb... by otoburb on Wednesday February 15, 2017 @04:18PM (#13655425)
>>Before I became an engineer I practiced IP/copyright law.

I'm sure there's a story there since I would have thought the usual direction, even for a small aggregate number of eventual engineer-patent attorney pairings, would be reversed. Hopefully you can post an "About Us" on MovieChat.org at some point when you feel comfortable. Thanks!

Re:Show HN: MovieChat.org – Archive and Replacement for IMDb... by cpeterso on Wednesday February 15, 2017 @05:50PM (#13656190)
Interesting project? The IMDb message boards were a good way to get some additional insight after watching a movie. Or at least give me a good laugh at the trolls. :)

Who owns this post data? IMDb? The users? Do you have any plans or ideas for existing IMDb users to somehow claim their username on MovieChat, linking to their archived posts?

Re:Show HN: MovieChat.org – Archive and Replacement for IMDb... by quirkafleeg on Wednesday February 15, 2017 @09:11PM (#13657343)
> The IMDb message boards were a good way to get some additional insight after watching a movie. Or at least give me a good laugh at the trolls. :)

Totally agree. I often also went there before watching a TV show or movie to get an idea what it was about or if I'd like it (though wary of spoiler potential), whereas I almost never read the reviews there, which I find are often far more useless than the message board comments.

After they're gone IMDB will be just a soulless movie listing site, with no reason to visit other than to check a mark out of ten, and no reason to stick around afterwards. :/

Re:Show HN: MovieChat.org – Archive and Replacement for IMDb... by sergers on Wednesday February 15, 2017 @02:53PM (#13654869)
Hi thanks for posting, looks like it has some potential.

one item i didnt like is that if i search for a show, i get hits for each episode.

would be good to have one entry per show, and then you can drill down into individual episodes.

also would be good feature on ability to rate shows (as a registered user, but i guess IMDB is still offering that functionality)

Re:Show HN: MovieChat.org – Archive and Replacement for IMDb... by huac on Wednesday February 15, 2017 @03:36PM (#13655147)
So basically reimplement IMDB?
Re:Show HN: MovieChat.org – Archive and Replacement for IMDb... by nso on Thursday February 16, 2017 @01:35PM (#13662335)
I made a userscript to be a drop-in replacement for the current discussion-teaser on a movies page on imdb, but it gets the discussions from moviechat.org (and links to them directly).

For it to work I would need for Jim to enable Access-Control-Allow-Origin from imdb.com (and ideally make a json/xml version of the thread list since I'm regexp'ing the html at this point).

Maybe it would help persuade him if we showed that there was some interest for this.

https://imma.gr/66880x4ca8b

Re:Show HN: MovieChat.org – Archive and Replacement for IMDb... by karim on Wednesday February 15, 2017 @04:30PM (#13655517)
Hey Jim – thanks for doing that! I'm curious, how did you back up IMDB's message boards? Did you scrape the whole website or were you able to find a data dump?
Re:Show HN: MovieChat.org – Archive and Replacement for IMDb... by 5_minutes on Wednesday February 15, 2017 @04:37PM (#13655567)
I wanted to ask this too. Did you scrape it or did it via some api? Anyway, cool project, wish you all the best with it.
Re:Show HN: MovieChat.org – Archive and Replacement for IMDb... by Markoff on Thursday February 16, 2017 @04:35AM (#13658684)
illegally scraped,IMDb doesn't have API for this and automated scraping OP done is against their TOS, not mentioning without consent of users, for instance stole 14 years worth of my posts
Re:Show HN: MovieChat.org – Archive and Replacement for IMDb... by fwn on Thursday February 16, 2017 @12:58PM (#13662030)
He stole them? You mean they are gone now? Because the closest I can imagine happening is an unlicensed reproduction of your content, your credentials included. ... Like any archive service would do it.
Re:Show HN: MovieChat.org – Archive and Replacement for IMDb... by thebluecat on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @06:41PM (#13701353)
I take it then, when you posted these 14 years of comments, you didn't want them available to the public to, I don't know, read?! Thank goodness IMDB deleted them all before we happened across them by accident & violated your privacy.