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Re:A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until... by masklinn on Sunday February 12, 2017 @02:26PM (#13630064)
> So how do you protect yourself?

Wipe phone when you pass through border, restore afterwards. If you're really paranoid, if the device leaves your presence it's to be considered physically compromised.

Re:A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until... by vidarh on Sunday February 12, 2017 @02:39PM (#13630165)
It is bizarre that we're now having to consider the type of preparation you previously would want to consider for places like China.

I'm really not sure if I want to visit the US at all while Trump is in power. Not because I expect the chances of any severe problems are all that huge, but because the growing lack of predictability is just creating sufficient friction.

Re:A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until... by josteink on Sunday February 12, 2017 @03:59PM (#13630763)
> I'm really not sure if I want to visit the US at all while Trump is in powe

I don't fancy Trump anymore than the next guy, but this started long before he got elected.

This is driven by the intelligence community for their own power grab and is 100% independent. It would be pushed through no matter who sat in the presidential seat.

Let's just say that if you try to oppose it, in the current (intolerant liberal) political climate someone has enough data on you to ruin your life and career as a politician no matter who you are.

That's a massive amount of power. Seeing how the head of NSA openly and repeatadly lies under oath to no consequence what so ever, I'd be surprised if it's not a power being misused regularly.

Re:A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until... by vidarh on Monday February 13, 2017 @05:52AM (#13634405)
I agree it started before that. The difference is the lack of predictability under Trump. There's no doubt China is still far more authoritarian, for example, but it's government is fairly predictable.
Re:A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until... by civilian on Sunday February 12, 2017 @03:08PM (#13630403)
We've been searching phones at the US border long before Trump: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/11/30...

You are right to be outraged, but you are wrong to be fearful of Trump. You need to be fearful and angry at the government, regardless of who's the President.

Re:A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until... by anigbrowl on Sunday February 12, 2017 @06:30PM (#13631835)
This 'there is no difference between the parties' thing is getting really old, the differences are clear. Yes a surveillance state had also flourished under the Democratic administrations and that's a Bad Thing, I'm with you on the general need to roll that back.

But don't come here telling me administrations are basically the same. And much of the surveillance state exists because of the politicians that pander to the more xenophobic demographics. Look how much of the previous 8 years they spent portraying Obama as a crypto-Muslim, bent on the the Islamicization of the United States yadda yadda. Every time he tried to dismantle or scale back any aspect of the national security state (Guantanamo being an obvious example) conservatives howled about him enabling terrorism and putting the American people in danger. To ignore those factors is to deceive yourself about the political dynamics that shape your environment.

Re:A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until... by Spooky23 on Sunday February 12, 2017 @09:03PM (#13632600)
...or perhaps the nation faces threats that are thrawrted by these measures that you speak of.

Obama managed to push affordable care act through despite republican howls. Perhaps there are other reasons for his change of heart on other topics.

Re:A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until... by wheelerwj on Sunday February 12, 2017 @08:54PM (#13632558)
all obama had to do was not renew bush's executive orders. thats it. he just had to do NOTHING. so yes, as far as privacy is concerned, both parties are equally shit.
Re:A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until... by anigbrowl on Sunday February 12, 2017 @09:59PM (#13632821)
That's what he did with troop withdrawals from Iraq - simply stick to the agreement Bush signed. And yet everyone on the right seems to think that by doing so he gave birth to ISIS. Ignoring these political realities is facile, even if you aim to overhaul the whole political system.
Re:A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until... by wheelerwj on Monday February 13, 2017 @08:16AM (#13634956)
no. i'm not going to let you equate the complexities of withdrawing military assets from an active conflict with NOT signing a piece of paper.
Re:A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until... by vidarh on Monday February 13, 2017 @05:54AM (#13634418)
You miss the part where my concern about Trump is the lack of predictability, as evidenced by the sudden travel ban.

I can deal with an authoritarian government as a visitor if I know what to avoid while visiting. Not so if the rules can change at the whim of someone who seems unstable.

Re:A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until... by poopsintub on Sunday February 12, 2017 @03:49PM (#13630679)
We should definitely be fearful of Trump. The only good thing that can come from this is that he will take full blame, but people will finally realize how corrupt we have become. I doubt that will happen though, because I'm sure the other half is brainwashed to think the Democrats can do no harm either.
Re:A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until... by brokenmachine on Sunday February 12, 2017 @05:53PM (#13631583)
I found this comment by educar from HN a few days ago very interesting and true:

> If you still think of the world as divided into good and evil, then I have to break it to you that you have been played. Brainwashed by years and years of media programming.

> One man's terrorist is another man's hero. The U.S routinely bombs other sovereign countries and this is show cased as a "hero" activity. If the bombed people retaliate, they are terrorists. The truth is not black/white. Same way U.S data surveillance is OK but same thing done by China is seen as backward regime.

from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13596218

Re:A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until... by contras1970 on Sunday February 12, 2017 @02:54PM (#13630286)
It's only bizarre because we've been brainwashed in our youth years into thinking highly of USA, and our adult selves still mourn the loss of simple ethical compass, but that was always only imaginary.
Re:A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until... by vidarh on Monday February 13, 2017 @06:14AM (#13634485)
I don't think I've been brainwashed much with that respect - I spent my youth involved in left wing political organizations that just a few years earlier would have barred me from entry to the US, to the point that I called the US embassy to check before my first entry (they stopped caring after the Soviet Union collapsed), and that means there's almost certainly a file on me with Norwegian security services. I've been highly critical of US governments most of my life.

The reason I find it bizarre is that I've visited the US about two dozen times over many years, and while I know there are plenty of issues for many visitors, it used to be fairly predictable who would get stopped, and I used to feel safe that I would not get pulled aside and face more invasive questioning or searches.

As I've noted elsewhere, part of what is changing is that it appears this predictability is out of the window: Things like NASA employees stopped or how a few days ago a former Norwegian Prime Minister travelling on a diplomatic passport was stopped. And so.

In a way, I suppose, I get to finally experience the uncertainty people from less favoured countries and/or darker skinned/with a muslim sounding name have dealt with for much longer. That is perhaps the only benefit of this mess: It's finally affecting groups of people that may cause it to become politically untenable over time.

Re:A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until... by keithnz on Sunday February 12, 2017 @04:13PM (#13630876)
pretty sure this is common in many countries. I know here in NZ they have had that right. Though, there was a bit of a backlash against that and they (government) were looking at changing so that there are reasonable grounds for search. Quick search seems to indicate UK and Australia is similar.
Re:A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until... by vidarh on Monday February 13, 2017 @06:07AM (#13634462)
That is true, and while it is bad, a large part of the difference is to what extent it is likely to affect you as a regular visitor. The US has always been stricter than most places in my experience - I've gotten far more scrutiny on entering the US than China, or anywhere else other than perhaps Canada.

But what has changed is the predictability and the extent of use of these types of powers.

I used to feel safe that I would not get taken aside and have to deal with this type of thing, but now I see no reason to any more, because there seems to be no reason to assume that the rules won't suddenly change overnight.

On entering the UK on the other hand, I still feel reasonably safe that though I know they can, the odds that they will are extremely low.

It used to be that I'd consider what to clean off my laptop before entering places like China. Now I'm not sure I'll even want to bring my regular laptop to the US.

Re:A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until... by ephemeral9235 on Sunday February 12, 2017 @02:45PM (#13630215)
How about a lockdown feature that sends the unlock code to a trusted 3rd party? For corporate phones that should work quite nicely, especially if unlocking would require physical connection to the trusted network.

That way you could simply put it into lockdown mode before you enter border checks and not use the phone except for minimal calling features.

Re:A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until... by Spooky23 on Sunday February 12, 2017 @09:05PM (#13632613)
Nah you just whack it.

Most MDMs can wipe the phone or data on it in the event you leave the country.

Re:A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until... by foolrush on Sunday February 12, 2017 @03:05PM (#13630379)
Wouldn't it make more sense to stop the “Wait and see” approach and organize action against the problem?

It strikes me that yielding to unjust approaches is fundamentally problematic on two fronts:

- The action of forcing legal citizens to unlock their personal information certainly is questionable constitutionally.

- The idea that one can perform these sorts of workarounds is likely biased with privilege.

Re:A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until... by XorNot on Sunday February 12, 2017 @04:20PM (#13630927)
This is actually what I'll be doing when I visit Hawaii later this year. Same with my laptop.

Visiting the US now demands exactly the same measures as visiting China.

Re:A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until... by FabHK on Sunday February 12, 2017 @02:30PM (#13630091)
Assuming you're going to a place with fast internet. If you're not, it can be a pain.
Re:A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until... by EGreg on Sunday February 12, 2017 @02:35PM (#13630127)
You can restore using iTunes backups stored on an encrypted hard drive in a secret volume. Plausible deniability even after decryption. TrueCrypt does this.
Re:A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until... by sah2ed on Sunday February 12, 2017 @02:51PM (#13630265)
Be sure that as such powers increase they'll obtain more sophisticated tools to help them catch smart alecks.

There's also the possibility of seizure -- not getting your encrypted hard drive back because you refused to co-operate.

Re:A US-born NASA scientist was detained at the border until... by EGreg on Sunday February 12, 2017 @02:56PM (#13630304)
But they won't know whether anyone refused to cooperate or not

Otherwise you get rubber hose cryptanalysis: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13629728

Bruce Shneier's advice: https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/07/laptop_securi...