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Re:Apple proposes new web 3D graphics API by om2 on Tuesday February 07, 2017 @06:11PM (#13593897)
We expect DirectX 12 drivers to be more complete, more performant, and more likely to be available out of the box without a separate install. We expect Windows browsers will want to build on top of DirectX, not Vulkan.
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Re:Apple proposes new web 3D graphics API by om2 on Tuesday February 07, 2017 @06:43PM (#13594182)
https://www.lunarg.com/faqs/microsoft-support-vulkan/

Microsoft won't support Vulkan officially, and apps would have to install their own Vulkan drivers.

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Re:Apple proposes new web 3D graphics API by Kubuxu on Tuesday February 07, 2017 @07:13PM (#13594377)
Not true, Vulcan drivers are included in drivers of the GPU manufacturer.
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Re:Apple proposes new web 3D graphics API by MBCook on Tuesday February 07, 2017 @10:25PM (#13595428)
No, Nvidia and AMD including Vulcan drivers. Intel isn't and said they don't plan to. Intel has a HUGE market share thanks to integrated graphics. There are other companies too.
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Re:Apple proposes new web 3D graphics API by saurik on Tuesday February 07, 2017 @11:14PM (#13595694)
> https://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2016/03/14/new-intel-...

"DATE: March 11, 2016" "-NEW- Intel® Vulkan BETA 15.40.20.4404 Graphics Driver for Windows® 7/8.1/10 [15.40]"

> https://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2016/06/29/new-intel-...

"DATE: June 24 2016" "-NEW- Intel® Graphics Test Driver for Windows® 10 and Windows 7/8.1 [15.40.4473]"

https://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2016/06/23/intel-open...

"In his blog published on February 16, 2016, Imad Sousou shared that Intel was selected as one of the leading graphics platform suppliers with Vulkan* 1.0 drivers certified by the Khronos Group Consortium."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsOTVpepS44

"We are demoing Intel’s implementation of the API available on the latest hardware from Intel on 3 major operating systems: Windows, Linux and Android." Intel Engineer: "This really shows the industry is moving towards Vulkan."

https://www.khronos.org/conformance/adopters/conformant-prod...

Intel sure seems to have been making sure all of their chips are now Vulkan capable. All I can find for "they don't plan to" are what seems like rumors on one forum that are spawned by the current drivers being "unsupported" (but given that they are in beta, that makes sense to me: the storyline here is that they were provided for Vulkan developers to start testing their products and likely testing this driver). It really seems like Intel is at worst being "a little slow" to push Vulkan, but they are definitely not unsupportive.

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Re:Apple proposes new web 3D graphics API by ioquatix on Tuesday February 07, 2017 @11:09PM (#13595670)
According to https://software.intel.com/en-us/forums/developing-games-and... Intel DOES plan on releasing official production quality drivers at some point.
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Re:Apple proposes new web 3D graphics API by pjmlp on Wednesday February 08, 2017 @03:11AM (#13596690)
Planning and actually releasing is not the same thing.
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Re:Apple proposes new web 3D graphics API by ioquatix on Wednesday February 08, 2017 @05:14AM (#13597164)
They HAVE released drivers, I've used them on both Windows and Linux.
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Re:Apple proposes new web 3D graphics API by pjmlp on Wednesday February 08, 2017 @05:20AM (#13597199)
For developers, to try them out, not to the overall public.
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Re:Apple proposes new web 3D graphics API by monocasa on Wednesday February 08, 2017 @12:15AM (#13595951)
> There are other companies too.

In addition to what people have said about Intel, Qualcomm, ARM, and IMG are all behind Vulkan. Who else is making GPUs these days?

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Re:Apple proposes new web 3D graphics API by cmiles74 on Tuesday February 07, 2017 @06:29PM (#13594064)
I don't see why this would be the case. The vendors (i.e. NVidia) are providing the drivers, I see no reason why they would porposely cripple them.
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Re:Apple proposes new web 3D graphics API by TazeTSchnitzel on Tuesday February 07, 2017 @08:05PM (#13594731)
It's the current reality with OpenGL on Windows, which is why Windows browsers do not implement WebGL with OpenGL, but rather by translating to Direct3D.

Maybe it'll be different for Vulkan, but that would be a surprise.

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Re:Apple proposes new web 3D graphics API by Rusky on Tuesday February 07, 2017 @08:04PM (#13594716)
Because they have been doing so with OpenGL (an identical situation) for years.

Besides, "purposefully cripple" is inaccurate. They just put more effort into Direct3D because there's no reason to support OpenGL as fully.

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Re:Apple proposes new web 3D graphics API by pjmlp on Wednesday February 08, 2017 @05:48AM (#13597316)
Including the SDKs, AMD and NVidia SDKs for a long time used to have better DirectX tooling than OpenGL.
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Re:Apple proposes new web 3D graphics API by ioquatix on Tuesday February 07, 2017 @06:28PM (#13594054)
Care to back up those assertions with real world evidence?
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Re:Apple proposes new web 3D graphics API by spatulon on Tuesday February 07, 2017 @08:54PM (#13594992)
Chrome and Firefox felt there were sufficient problems with OpenGL driver availabity that they implemented WebGL using DirectX (via the ANGLE project), despite the more obvious mapping to OpenGL.

Is there any reason to believe that, unlike OpenGL, Vulkan drivers will be sufficiently widespread for browser vendors to use it on Windows?

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Re:Apple proposes new web 3D graphics API by ioquatix on Tuesday February 07, 2017 @10:48PM (#13595552)
That's really fascinating and I didn't know that.
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Re:Apple proposes new web 3D graphics API by mrpippy on Tuesday February 07, 2017 @07:34PM (#13594498)
Intel has no stated intention of releasing production-quality Vulkan drivers for Windows. Forum statement from August:

The current Plan Of Record is that Intel® is not supporting Vulkan on Windows drivers. The drivers that were made available on Developer.com are intended for Vulkan developers.

So, it is expected that some Vulkan drivers may not work for end users.

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Re:Apple proposes new web 3D graphics API by ioquatix on Tuesday February 07, 2017 @07:51PM (#13594628)
A quick google finds an Intel representative providing clarification: https://software.intel.com/en-us/forums/developing-games-and...

So, they ARE planning full Vulkan support on Intel iGPUs.

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Re:Apple proposes new web 3D graphics API by mrpippy on Tuesday February 07, 2017 @08:42PM (#13594937)
Good find, it's a shame that the only info is buried in forums and there's no timeline or official statements.
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