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Re:The woes of Windows 10 by mundo on Thursday February 02, 2017 @02:56PM (#13553971)
Thousands of programmer years went in to Win10, and the most positive comment on it is "It's perfectly tolerable if you turn off all that stuff they added."

This should be in the dictionary to illustrate the phrase "Damning with faint praise."

Re:The woes of Windows 10 by hfsktr on Thursday February 02, 2017 @03:38PM (#13554419)
I think it's the best OS I've used yet really. I remember getting BSOD many times on Windows XP and several times on Win 7 (although they were so rare they were the exception). Almost always those previous iterations had some peripheral that needed help being configured but with Win 10 I haven't had to touch almost anything.

My computer has changed to be not comparable to those previous though because I now have a nice GPU, a nice CPU, and a SSD. So any speed improvements, graphic improvements, etc are skewed by the hardware changes I've made since.

I didn't turn off anything except the privacy that I could. It's just that I don't have a use case for most of the features (yet).

Re:The woes of Windows 10 by criddell on Thursday February 02, 2017 @11:23PM (#13557666)
IMHO, operating systems are a solved problem. I think that's why Microsoft is pushing the line between OS and applications so far into application space. I understand they may want to ship with solitaire and weather and all the other garbage apps, but why not let me uninstall them?

I don't go to my computer and think "oh great, I get to use Windows" (or Linux or any other OS), I'm there to run some application.

If Windows didn't arbitrarily send data to their servers, I might use the built in calendar or contacts. It feels like they want me to give up my privacy and they are offering nothing in return.

Re:The woes of Windows 10 by computerex on Thursday February 02, 2017 @10:24PM (#13557412)
Am I the only one who never had issues with BSOD's, outside of hardware malfunctions?
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by ygra on Friday February 03, 2017 @12:29AM (#13557920)
Driver malfunctions are common, too. Apart from that, I think my last Windows-induced BSOD was in Windows 2000, indeed. (And I don't think the blue screens in Win9x really count, as they are often a very different phenomenon than a kernel panic.)
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by hadfgdasf on Friday February 03, 2017 @12:09AM (#13557834)
How old are you?
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by Mithaldu on Thursday February 02, 2017 @04:33PM (#13554868)
I'm a gamer and developer in high performance stuff. I've seen a concrete improvement in both average performance and responsiveness in going from win 7 to win 10 on the same machine.
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by chadgeidel on Thursday February 02, 2017 @05:27PM (#13555457)
I recently installed both Windows 7 (32 bit) and Windows 10 (32 bit) on a 1 GB memory machine.

Memory pressure from 10 was lower than 7.

Re:The woes of Windows 10 by kevin_thibedeau on Thursday February 02, 2017 @08:53PM (#13556976)
Most likely from the compressed pages.

I recently bought a 2GB Ideapad to use as a toss around machine. I wish it had come with 32-bit Win10 but MS's stupid rules require 64-bit on any processor capable of using it.

Re:The woes of Windows 10 by DanBC on Saturday February 04, 2017 @06:30PM (#13569740)
> I recently bought a 2GB Ideapad to use as a toss around machine. I wish it had come with 32-bit Win10 but MS's stupid rules require 64-bit on any processor capable of using it.

Is this correct? There's a bunch of low end machines that have 64 bit processors but not much ram, and thus were installed with 32 bit Windows 10.

EG: http://imgur.com/a/yukLR

Re:The woes of Windows 10 by fuzzfactor on Saturday February 04, 2017 @06:24PM (#13569715)
I don't think you would have any problem re-installing using the 32-bit version yourself.
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by chadgeidel on Friday February 03, 2017 @03:07PM (#13562835)
Sure, Microsoft has made a ton of improvements throughout the OS from 7-10, not just UI improvements.
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by E6300 on Thursday February 02, 2017 @10:47PM (#13557508)
That performance improvement happened in 8. 10 didn't bring anything new to the table in terms of optimizations.
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by grogenaut on Friday February 03, 2017 @12:27AM (#13557910)
being partially sarcastic: who could stand 8? as much as you hate the features you have to turn off... 8 was much much worse. 8.1 also really bad. 10 is like 7 that works way better. I also really like my work win10 where corp it has stripped all of the garbage for me, except that stupid "welcome" screen, which you used to be able to skip by task managering. Hello! I know windows is ready to go... I know you love your FTUE, did you think about your 92UE? :)
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by E6300 on Friday February 03, 2017 @12:58AM (#13558041)
Eh. 8.1 works fine for me. I get the performance improvements over 7, but I also get to control when to apply updates. The start screen was an eyesore at first, but I actually kind of like it now. The Windows 10 "start menu" is much worse, because it's exactly the same as the start screen but way smaller

I have to use 10 at work because I'm working on a driver that I need Windows 8 or newer to write it and the only HDD with anything like that on it had 10, and I absolutely hate that once in a while I come in to work and the OS will have decided at some point during the night that updating itself was more important than whatever it was I had running.

Re:The woes of Windows 10 by Mithaldu on Friday February 03, 2017 @04:56AM (#13558808)
Frankly, i'm in grogenaut's boat. Windows 8 was a disaster like ME, with some improvements, but those invented half-baked or with too much opinions.

Win 10 is the first time i considered upgrading from Win 7, and it ended up wonderful.

Re:The woes of Windows 10 by princeb on Thursday February 02, 2017 @11:24PM (#13557669)
dx12 doesn't work with 8
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by E6300 on Friday February 03, 2017 @12:11AM (#13557838)
The benchmarks I've seen don't really point to DX12 as being an optimization.
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by Mithaldu on Friday February 03, 2017 @04:55AM (#13558801)
It's not about optimization, it's about the fact that games will come out that support only that because the game devs don't want to support multiple graphics APIs.
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by E6300 on Friday February 03, 2017 @09:31AM (#13559995)
Developers won't do that for a good while if adoption rates continue at their current level.
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by Mithaldu on Saturday February 04, 2017 @06:12AM (#13566584)
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by E6300 on Saturday February 04, 2017 @05:09PM (#13569397)
Is that a list of games that only support DX12, or a list of games that support DX12 and possibly some other API as well?
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by dagw on Saturday February 04, 2017 @05:12PM (#13569413)
It's both.
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by E6300 on Saturday February 04, 2017 @06:03PM (#13569617)
Okay, so how about a list of games that only support DX12, since that's what's being discussed here?
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by dagw on Saturday February 04, 2017 @06:12PM (#13569662)
The link lists both games that only support DX12 and games that support DX12 and something else.
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by Mithaldu on Monday February 06, 2017 @10:28AM (#13580256)
Did you look at it on a phone and missed the column clearly marking which is which?
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by coredog64 on Thursday February 02, 2017 @04:11PM (#13554687)
There are also a whole host of security improvements that you can't see. SwiftOnSecurity over on Twitter regularly calls out things that are literally impossible to secure on Win7 that are done for you OOB on Win10.
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by khedoros1 on Thursday February 02, 2017 @07:26PM (#13556475)
Any way to filter out all the extraneous tweets to see that information? I'd be interested in seeing a list, but not interested in signing up for Twitter and following someone with the volume of posts on that account.
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by dyukqu on Friday February 03, 2017 @12:49AM (#13558016)
You can do advanced search using the relevant keywords (etc.) - https://twitter.com/search-advanced

No log in required.

(A "win10" search - https://twitter.com/search?l=&q=win10%20%20from%3ASwiftOnSec...)

Re:The woes of Windows 10 by tw04 on Thursday February 02, 2017 @03:45PM (#13554486)
Just because he isn't using the new features, doesn't mean they aren't useful. WSL is great - still needs work but on the insider previews it's on 16.04 LTS and they're slowly knocking out the nagging little issues with it. If you've got a 2-in-1 like a surface book, the switching from desktop to tablet mode is awesome.

If you aren't paranoid (and completely understand why some people are) about the security possibilities, cortana is actually pretty nice too. And as they slowly tie it into xbox and their other platforms it will just become that much more useful. Virtual desktop support is finally there.

I mean, outside of that, what were you expecting from Windows? It's the most widely used desktop on the planet... it's not like there were any major feature gaps that were just deal breakers.

Re:The woes of Windows 10 by khedoros1 on Thursday February 02, 2017 @07:18PM (#13556406)
> cortana is actually pretty nice too. And as they slowly tie it into xbox and their other platforms it will just become that much more useful.

Those are some of the things that I find most annoying. I don't want my OS tied into other platforms. I don't want a local search to also be an online search. I don't want a file search to also be a Windows Store search. I don't want a dozen opportunities to link my local user account to be connected to my Windows Live ID. I want the OS to provide a convenient environment to run my software in, and no more.

WSL is cool, and I'd like it on my Windows 7 machine. It's a lot nicer to use than Cygwin, and it's enough that I'm not planning on setting up my Win10 netbook to dual boot Linux. The generally lower memory requirement is nice too. Other than that, 10 feels a lot like 7 with more things that I want to disable but can't.

Re:The woes of Windows 10 by computerex on Thursday February 02, 2017 @10:28PM (#13557432)
Microsoft really needs to up their game in usability. Windows search has always been and continues to be shit.
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by mycall on Friday February 03, 2017 @01:15AM (#13558106)
> more things that I want to disable but can't

Like what? I'm sure there is a way if you care enough.

Re:The woes of Windows 10 by khedoros1 on Friday February 03, 2017 @02:24AM (#13558345)
> Like what?

The things I just spent a post complaining about.

> I'm sure there is a way if you care enough.

I'm sure, too. But why bother? The benefits of the OS aren't worth the work, between researching work-arounds, implementing them, and maintaining them in perpetuity. It sounds like something I might've taken some enjoyment from 10 or 15 years ago. I think my best move now is to stick to 7 and Linux.

The netbook can keep 10; I've hidden some of the more annoying "features", and it basically runs a browser, a couple games, and almost nothing else. Doesn't matter if it gets rebooted randomly, starts whirring at arbitrary times because Windows decided to peg the CPU while the machine's "idle", etc.

Re:The woes of Windows 10 by mundo on Thursday February 02, 2017 @04:23PM (#13554786)
I think we're basically agreeing here, it's just a matter of perspective whether "it has a variety of features that are genuinely useful to a certain niche of users" is proof that Win10 is good or that it's bad. I mean, everything you said is true, but I don't have a Surface or an Xbox, so...
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by vondur on Thursday February 02, 2017 @03:14PM (#13554177)
I'd imagine those features that the programmers implemented was not something they had a say in. I imagine Microsoft has a large bureaucracy that determines what features that make it into a Windows release.
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by freehunter on Thursday February 02, 2017 @03:00PM (#13554019)
If they change things in noticeable way, damn them for changing things. If they don't change things in a noticeable way, damn them for not making it more noticeable.
Re:The woes of Windows 10 by uncletaco on Thursday February 02, 2017 @03:06PM (#13554100)
It's called "throwing shade".