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Re:How Children Lost the Right to Roam in Just 4 Generations by SomeCallMeTim on Thursday February 02, 2017 @02:46AM (#13548848)
I live in a small suburban city and I can walk to:

* The library (5 minutes)

* A supermarket (8 minutes)

* A dozen restaurants (7-15 minutes; mostly local restaurants + 2 fast food chains)

* Two liquor stores

* A drug store (12 minutes)

* A coworking space (15 minutes)

* Several antique stores (12-15 minutes)

* (Almost forgot) Walmart (10 minutes)

* Two barbers (8-12 minutes)

* At least three major bus lines

And if I get on a bike, I can go across the entire town in 20 minutes, which puts me in range of more supermarkets, a local game store, a Gamestop, a bowling alley, at least two dozen more restaurants, and tons more.

There are places to live in my town that I would be stuck driving (or at least biking) everywhere. But I chose a place near the downtown area, and I can walk to tons of places. And I do.

Not fond of big cities. My kids can wander around my neighborhood or walk to the park, and we don't worry at all. Granted it's not six miles to the park. Six miles in any direction and you've left the small city I live in. But we're trying to resist the helicopter parenting style.

That said, I think there's another thing that's missing from this discussion: People are having fewer kids. Sometimes they have a single kid. So it's natural when all your eggs are in one basket to be a bit more paranoid about that basket.

Re:How Children Lost the Right to Roam in Just 4 Generations by TulliusCicero on Thursday February 02, 2017 @03:33AM (#13549020)
That's exceptional though. Most American suburbs aren't like that at all, and many of the ones that do have a walkable area, most of their housing is still in unwalkable areas.
Re:How Children Lost the Right to Roam in Just 4 Generations by taurath on Thursday February 02, 2017 @07:04AM (#13549923)
Specificlly built to be unwalkable in fact, to keep out "undesirables".
Re:How Children Lost the Right to Roam in Just 4 Generations by rm_-rf_slash on Thursday February 02, 2017 @08:18AM (#13550281)
Source?
Re:How Children Lost the Right to Roam in Just 4 Generations by baursak on Thursday February 02, 2017 @10:05AM (#13550958)
Re:How Children Lost the Right to Roam in Just 4 Generations by rm_-rf_slash on Thursday February 02, 2017 @10:54AM (#13551368)
Ah, I stand corrected. Thank you.
Re:How Children Lost the Right to Roam in Just 4 Generations by TulliusCicero on Thursday February 02, 2017 @12:00PM (#13552066)
To a certain extent you have to read between the lines, people aren't usually gonna come out and say, "Yes, these regulations are to prevent minorities and the poor from coming to my neighborhood." But that's kind of the obvious takeaway from, say, zoning regulations that mandate houses/lot sizes of a minimum large size: they make it so that a lower-middle class family can't enter an upper-middle class neighborhood by simply purchasing a smaller house on a smaller plot of land.
Re:How Children Lost the Right to Roam in Just 4 Generations by SomeCallMeTim on Thursday February 02, 2017 @03:54PM (#13554560)
Probably 30% of the housing in my town is manufactured homes, though (i.e., dirt cheap), and the city council and planners are actively looking for ways to improve diversity of housing. The people living here in the rich-people subdivisions predictably are against any higher density housing being built, though, probably for exactly the reasons you site (some explicitly site "undesirables", despite the already existing low-income housing).

They also complain that it will affect their view, though. Not the view from their homes, but as they drive along the road. Considering the housing is proposed for right behind a WalMart and other big box development, and in the opposite direction from the mountains from their subdivision. Sigh. "But we'll have to drive past it on the way to WalMart or the grocery! OMG!"

Despite having plenty of "undesirables" (not my word), we're in the top-10 safest cities in the state (#3 or 4, if I recall). The neighboring town (Louisville, CO) has won "best place in the US to raise a family" several times.

And the state is Colorado, where even the "rough" cities are actually pretty safe to begin with. I used to live in Oakland, CA, so there's probably no area in Denver that I'd be uncomfortable walking around at night. There are places I've been quite wary of in Oakland, though.

Re:How Children Lost the Right to Roam in Just 4 Generations by SomeCallMeTim on Thursday February 02, 2017 @04:01PM (#13554615)
>That's exceptional though.

Yes, it's the exception. But it's not non-existent. You just need to choose to live in an area like that.

I lived in Oakland, CA, and had the ability to walk to tons of restaurants, a post office, and a library. And Bart. But Oakland counts as "big city" by most measures.

I also lived in Lafayette, CA [0], walkable to Bart, restaurants, and grocery shopping. And Alameda, CA, walkable to grocery, the post office, an entire shopping center (Southshore [1]), and a beach. And in Boulder CO where I could walk to a supermarket, restaurants, and a library. And another location in Boulder where I could walk to restaurants.

And I've looked at walkable housing in a dozen other suburban cities. If "walkability" is your priority, you can find it all over the place.

[0] Ironically I'm now in Lafayette Colorado. I keep saying I just have a couple more Lafayttes to live in, and I can collect the whole set. :)

[1] http://www.alamedasouthshorecenter.com/

Re:How Children Lost the Right to Roam in Just 4 Generations by MarkPNeyer on Thursday February 02, 2017 @03:13AM (#13548960)
Curious - what city is this?
Re:How Children Lost the Right to Roam in Just 4 Generations by SomeCallMeTim on Thursday February 02, 2017 @03:43PM (#13554462)
Lafayette, CO. Though neighboring Louisville is similar, and Boulder proper has some very walkable areas as well (at twice the price).

Edit to add: Longmont, CO has a charming walkable downtown as well, plus gigabit ethernet for cheap. In case you care. :)

Re:How Children Lost the Right to Roam in Just 4 Generations by MK999 on Thursday February 02, 2017 @10:17AM (#13551045)
Sounds like an old railroad town that became a suburb. When was your city founded?
Re:How Children Lost the Right to Roam in Just 4 Generations by SomeCallMeTim on Thursday February 02, 2017 @03:43PM (#13554468)
Re:How Children Lost the Right to Roam in Just 4 Generations by visarga on Thursday February 02, 2017 @03:25AM (#13548998)
> when all your eggs are in one basket

Almost literally your eggs in one "basket".