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Re:AI Beats Four Top Poker Players by jedberg on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @04:21PM (#13535353)
EDIT: Read below, I am wrong. I clearly didn't know what I was talking about.

This is a great achievement in AI, don't get me wrong, but the headline should read, "AI beats the best four poker players we could find who were willing to play for a mere $200K".

All the actual best players play for millions and have a reputation to uphold. They would never agree to do this.

They four guys they got are pretty good, and could certainly destroy me, but they aren't the best of the best.

I'd love to see the bot play in the World Series of Poker for a few million.

Re:AI Beats Four Top Poker Players by sanswork on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @04:30PM (#13535434)
>All the actual best players play for millions and have a reputation to uphold.

All these players are high stakes players. I think you're underestimating the fun factor. As for reputation. For a poker player having a reputation as being beatable is a profitable thing to have.

>but they aren't the best of the best.

Who do you think is? Like how many people do you think rank above this group at HUNL?

Re:AI Beats Four Top Poker Players by jedberg on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @04:56PM (#13535629)
Re:AI Beats Four Top Poker Players by panorama on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @05:06PM (#13535729)
I like your posts, but you're misinformed on this topic. The pros selected are among the best HUNL players in the world right now. Offering the top winners in a separate variant not only misinterprets how different the games are but also falsely equivocates being the best with making the most money.

If someone asked you who the best mobile app developers were in the world, your list should comprise solely of mobile app developers.

Re:AI Beats Four Top Poker Players by jedberg on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @05:18PM (#13535839)
You make a fair point. I clearly didn't know what I was talking about. I edited my original post to reflect that.
Re:AI Beats Four Top Poker Players by panorama on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @05:26PM (#13535912)
No worries, thanks for taking the time to listen. Have a great day
Re:AI Beats Four Top Poker Players by sanswork on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @04:58PM (#13535654)
HUNL is a different game to MTT which makes up almost all of the ranking values for hendonmob and the WSOP ME winners specialities.
Re:AI Beats Four Top Poker Players by Fuzzwah on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @04:59PM (#13535655)
Tournament earnings are utterly unimportant in the world of Heads Up No Limit cash game poker.
Re:AI Beats Four Top Poker Players by RexetBlell on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @05:08PM (#13535740)
All of those people would get absolutely crushed at heads up no limit by any of the four players.

Jamie Gold won the WSOP, but he's a pretty bad player.

Re:AI Beats Four Top Poker Players by softawre on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @04:35PM (#13535473)
I agree, these probably aren't the best.

Same as in programming. There are some great programmers that we all know and that are public figures. But the absolute best? Probably making high 7 figures working in a dark room somewhere.

Re:AI Beats Four Top Poker Players by sanswork on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @05:00PM (#13535671)
When it comes to HUNL specialists the best have to be public because there isn't as much action offline as in full ring and MTTs.

They aren't the best since I think that probably is safely in Polks hands but they are near the best.

Re:AI Beats Four Top Poker Players by baq on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @04:25PM (#13535386)
my understanding is these are some of the best HU players the world has seen. WSOP is a completely different story being a super-large MTT.
Re:AI Beats Four Top Poker Players by ayemeng on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @04:35PM (#13535471)
They are at worst top 15 HUNL players in the world.
Re:AI Beats Four Top Poker Players by sulam on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @04:49PM (#13535569)
How was this determined? Online play?
Re:AI Beats Four Top Poker Players by woutyat on Tuesday January 31, 2017 @06:22PM (#13536432)
Yes from online play but there aren't any official rankings. It's hard to determine exact rankings because it's rare for 2 world class players to face off over a large enough number of hands to give a significant sample but a loose hierarchy does exist. You can tell where a player sits in that hierarchy by who he is willing or unwilling to play. It's not an exact science but I agree that all of these players are unquestionably elite and the AI has beaten them to an extent that it would be a very strong favourite over a team compromising of the true top 4 players.