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Re:Oracle’s Cloud Licensing Change by fauigerzigerk on Sunday January 29, 2017 @05:22AM (#13513481)
True, but I think you may be underestimating the need for a public company to grow in order to survive in its current form.

Relentlessly squeezing existing customers that have no way out will only get you so far.

Re:Oracle’s Cloud Licensing Change by syshum on Sunday January 29, 2017 @07:32AM (#13513837)
Worked for Microsoft for Decades,

They also found a new way to apply that same model with 0365 and their continual effort to add new features that only cost a "few dollars more per user per month"

Squeezing locked in customers is the Enterprise Software way... all of them do it.

Re:Oracle’s Cloud Licensing Change by fauigerzigerk on Sunday January 29, 2017 @08:14AM (#13513969)
>Squeezing locked in customers is the Enterprise Software way

No doubt about that, but for basic infrastructure like DBMSs the customer of the future will be another tech company. Try extracting the same margins for a database system from, say, Airbnb or Uber as from a mid-sized bank founded in 1888.

Re:Oracle’s Cloud Licensing Change by cm2187 on Sunday January 29, 2017 @08:32AM (#13514028)
I bet the mid-sized bank founded in 1888 will still be around well after 80% of these tech companies failed...
Re:Oracle’s Cloud Licensing Change by fauigerzigerk on Sunday January 29, 2017 @09:06AM (#13514160)
Being around isn't the same as growth though, and being around doesn't necessarily mean to run your own IT infrastructure either.
Re:Oracle’s Cloud Licensing Change by syshum on Sunday January 29, 2017 @10:29AM (#13514493)
I find this modern fixation on growth MBA's have forced upon the business world to be facinating

Use to Stability, and Profitability not growth was important.

Stability, and Profitability were the goal, growth followed but was not in itself a goal

Now even if you are profitable, if you are not seeing growth then you failed. It is ridiculous.

Re:Oracle’s Cloud Licensing Change by fauigerzigerk on Sunday January 29, 2017 @12:40PM (#13515377)
I don't disagree in general, but Oracle is a tech company and technology has a particular function in our society that wasn't invented by MBAs.

The role of technology is to drive productivity growth, which is ultimately the only thing that improves living standards (or at least has the potential to do so).

A pizza sold in 1987 is just as useful as a pizza sold in 2017 measured by its nutritional value. But the same is not true of technologies from 1987.

Re:Oracle’s Cloud Licensing Change by Spooky23 on Sunday January 29, 2017 @01:38PM (#13515775)
I'd argue for the Oracle growth drivers, things are much better than 1987, but only marginally better than 1999.

These mega vendors drive co-dependency, not innovation.

Re:Oracle’s Cloud Licensing Change by nitrogen on Sunday January 29, 2017 @04:19PM (#13516736)
Oracle's lockin doesn't just come from their database. There are also behemoth business/logistics/financial applications that exist only as PL/SQL packages and a bit of Java UI. Moving off Oracle Applications is a lot harder than switching databases.
Re:Oracle’s Cloud Licensing Change by rodgerd on Sunday January 29, 2017 @02:47PM (#13516162)
> Worked for Microsoft for Decades,

Even at their most dominant, Microsoft kept adding things customers wanted. AD was a big leap forward for customers, when Microsoft could have rested on the domain model. SQL Server kept adding capabilities, Exchange, etc.

Re:Oracle’s Cloud Licensing Change by syshum on Sunday January 29, 2017 @07:24PM (#13517721)
All designed around Vendor Lockin, then putting the screws to business with various and complex licensing

CAL's for example would never be possible with out Vendor Lockin, What kind of extortion scheme do you have to have to sell a server licence then charge for every thing that wants to connect to the server.....

Re:Oracle’s Cloud Licensing Change by tw04 on Sunday January 29, 2017 @10:42PM (#13518465)
CALs - you mean like literally every successful SaaS solution on the market today? CALs are alive and well and aren't EVER going to die. Salesforce.com? CAL. Openair? CAL. Workday? CAL.

Etc. etc. etc.

Re:Oracle’s Cloud Licensing Change by pjmlp on Sunday January 29, 2017 @06:51AM (#13513720)
I do enterprise consulting, all these licensing costs are usually a small footnote in overall project costs.
Re:Oracle’s Cloud Licensing Change by fauigerzigerk on Sunday January 29, 2017 @07:56AM (#13513914)
I don't think that says a whole lot about Oracle's growth opportunities as everyone moves to the cloud.

Direct licensing costs are not all that matters. The restrictions on architectural choices and the uncertainty created by these complex licensing structures could hurt them a lot more.