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Re:How many animals can one find in a random image? by pierrec on Sunday January 15, 2017 @09:31PM (#13407885)
A more honest title would have been "Check out our animal shape generator", though I suppose it wouldn't sound as interesting.

They touch on the cool idea of using an image identification neural network to single out desired shapes from an arbitrarily large corpus of semi-random generated shapes. So the way you program your random generator could determine the style, while the identifier network would determine what will be represented.

Re:How many animals can one find in a random image? by dalbasal on Monday January 16, 2017 @04:23AM (#13408997)
I think your linkbait detector might be evolving to work like the pareidolia phenomenon mentioned in the article (our animal and people detectors' tendency to produce false positives).

This might not be the best title possible, but it's not clickbait-ey, it's just a little vague.

Re:How many animals can one find in a random image? by czep on Sunday January 15, 2017 @11:32PM (#13408210)
I'm stealing one of those to use as my avatar.

For some inexplicable reason, I find this earth-shatteringly fascinating. If such a bewildering array of patterns can be found in random noise, maybe all patterns -- our attempts to ascribe order to the universe -- are illusive.

Re:How many animals can one find in a random image? by maggit on Monday January 16, 2017 @04:16AM (#13408961)
This is certainly beautiful! And fascinating!

But be careful about drawing metaphysical conclusions from this. This is only an example of selection bias. Take random noise, filter it and select examples that probably look animal-like to humans. If the classification algorithm is worth its salt, the selected images are bound to look interesting.

A comparison could be made to the Rorschach test; if the patient finds clear images in the ink blot, that is supposed to say something about the patient, not the image, because the image is by construction random.

Re:How many animals can one find in a random image? by IanCal on Monday January 16, 2017 @07:39AM (#13409626)
> If such a bewildering array of patterns can be found in random noise, maybe all patterns -- our attempts to ascribe order to the universe -- are illusive.

It's certainly a justification for using statistics to back up what "feels" like a "true pattern" when really it's just noise.

Re:How many animals can one find in a random image? by CharlesDodgson on Monday January 16, 2017 @11:42AM (#13410998)
Yeah same, it's really lovely.
Re:How many animals can one find in a random image? by source99 on Monday January 16, 2017 @12:03AM (#13408312)
Interestingly, Whenever I feel like my brain is firing on all cylinders I often think I see old friends in a crowd.
Re:How many animals can one find in a random image? by Kaibeezy on Monday January 16, 2017 @08:17AM (#13409770)
the shower of an apartment i rented long ago had old-school spatter tiles with small random shapes remarkably similar to the ones in the article - very close to what's in the links below, although on the ones i recall, the shapes had smoother edges and more small white dots inside the shapes

with the hot water enveloping me in a multi-sensory white noise, i would stand there for time=n finding faces, animals and aliens in the splotches - very zen

http://thumbs.picclick.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/9W8AAOSwmLlX5...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Z-986-1Pc-Vintage-Ceramic-Wall-Flori...

Re:How many animals can one find in a random image? by tabeth on Sunday January 15, 2017 @09:31PM (#13407888)
Can't you see anything in any image, given any interpretation?
Re:How many animals can one find in a random image? by ovi256 on Monday January 16, 2017 @03:41AM (#13408847)
Sure, but the most interesting interpretations are usually based on aprioris learned in this universe.
Re:How many animals can one find in a random image? by ttoinou on Monday January 16, 2017 @02:33PM (#13412297)
Awesome ! I also see a lot of living creatures in flames (try to take pictures with a DSLR during 1/2000 second ;) ), including phoenixes, seehorses and riders.
Re:How many animals can one find in a random image? by rabboRubble on Sunday January 15, 2017 @09:06PM (#13407807)
No animal shapes are directly visible.
Re:How many animals can one find in a random image? by user837387 on Sunday January 15, 2017 @09:46PM (#13407929)
I see plenty or rabbits and few birds. I'm sure I could find more if cared to spend more time on this.
Re:How many animals can one find in a random image? by tantalor on Sunday January 15, 2017 @08:22PM (#13407645)
Satire?
Re:How many animals can one find in a random image? by nathancahill on Sunday January 15, 2017 @09:07PM (#13407811)
I love that every post I see linked from Wolfram is so over the top that it borders on satire. Especially the posts from the author of the software. It's so incredibly powerful in such odd ways.
Re:How many animals can one find in a random image? by iaw on Sunday January 15, 2017 @09:41PM (#13407916)
Stephen Wolfram seems absurdly intelligent to me, I can't even fathom the depth of his comprehensions.
Re:How many animals can one find in a random image? by ajkjk on Sunday January 15, 2017 @10:07PM (#13407981)
He seems pretty intelligent but very egotistical to many people. He acts (well, acted) as though he's a messiah when he's just another smart dude.
Re:How many animals can one find in a random image? by frou_dh on Monday January 16, 2017 @01:43AM (#13408550)
We've got Wolfram Derangement Syndrome* ITT when he didn't even write the post!

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10978871

Re:How many animals can one find in a random image? by ajkjk on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @04:11PM (#13421228)
Ok?
Re:How many animals can one find in a random image? by taneq on Sunday January 15, 2017 @11:47PM (#13408266)
Why the past tense? I thought he was still around? Or do you just mean he's less egotistical these days?
Re:How many animals can one find in a random image? by ajkjk on Monday January 16, 2017 @01:49AM (#13408562)
The examples of him being super egotistical that I'm aware of are from a while ago. I'm thinking of this kind of thing, where he thinks he knows everything about every field: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_New_Kind_of_Science
Re:How many animals can one find in a random image? by SomeStupidPoint on Sunday January 15, 2017 @08:53PM (#13407768)
Why would it be satire?

The question of pattern recognition in random noise is interesting and a legitimate question. Animals (given our propensity to see then) and an interesting subject matter.

Re:How many animals can one find in a random image? by jlarocco on Sunday January 15, 2017 @11:29PM (#13408200)
Generating random noise and then filtering it to "find" patterns seems dubious, at best. Why not just generate animal shapes in the first place?

Starting from a random image it's possible to manipulate and filter it to find literally anything. It doesn't mean there are "animal pictures" in the random data; it means the image has been manipulated to look like it. It's a tautology.

Re:How many animals can one find in a random image? by SomeStupidPoint on Monday January 16, 2017 @12:32AM (#13408388)
In a sufficiently large random image, you'll (probably) find as detailed of a picture of a rabbit as you like.

The question is about how often image recognition (either human or algorithmic) picks up a signal in random noise -- that is, how often we see things that aren't there (or if you prefer, are there, but by chance). Of course you can find anything, the question is with what frequency.

If you've ever spent much time looking at random patterns, you'd know that we're prone to seeing things that aren't there in noise. Modeling that phenomenon is interesting (at least to me).

Re:How many animals can one find in a random image? by penagwin on Monday January 16, 2017 @01:48AM (#13408560)
I don't know much about wolfram things, but just looking through it, it appears that the manipulation and filtering is grouping the randomly generated data (I would argue it's still random), taking only groups between a certain size(this is the least random part, it makes sure there are enough "features" yet not too many), and then smoothing out the groups for display (still completely dependant on the data, which was random).

As the "animals" are smoothed groups of random data, (and differ every time) , I'd argue it's still (basically) random.

Re:How many animals can one find in a random image? by tantalor on Sunday January 15, 2017 @11:11PM (#13408147)
The premise of extracting meaning from noise is flawed. It doesn't matter what process you use to arrive at the meaningful conclusions if the source material is completely meaningless. It's analogous to a fallacy of false premise: you can literally arrive at any conclusion given a false assumption.
Re:How many animals can one find in a random image? by Kaibeezy on Monday January 16, 2017 @10:03AM (#13410316)
"random" encompasses an infinite array of variable parameters -- linear blur, Gaussian blur; white noise, brown noise, pink noise -- some of these can tend to make animals appear in dot patterns, or melodic phrases arise from static, or whisky taste of butterscotch and leather