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Re:How many animals can one find in a random image? by tantalor on Sunday January 15, 2017 @08:22PM (#13407645)
Satire?
Re:How many animals can one find in a random image? by nathancahill on Sunday January 15, 2017 @09:07PM (#13407811)
I love that every post I see linked from Wolfram is so over the top that it borders on satire. Especially the posts from the author of the software. It's so incredibly powerful in such odd ways.
Re:How many animals can one find in a random image? by iaw on Sunday January 15, 2017 @09:41PM (#13407916)
Stephen Wolfram seems absurdly intelligent to me, I can't even fathom the depth of his comprehensions.
Re:How many animals can one find in a random image? by ajkjk on Sunday January 15, 2017 @10:07PM (#13407981)
He seems pretty intelligent but very egotistical to many people. He acts (well, acted) as though he's a messiah when he's just another smart dude.
Re:How many animals can one find in a random image? by frou_dh on Monday January 16, 2017 @01:43AM (#13408550)
We've got Wolfram Derangement Syndrome* ITT when he didn't even write the post!

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10978871

Re:How many animals can one find in a random image? by ajkjk on Tuesday January 17, 2017 @04:11PM (#13421228)
Ok?
Re:How many animals can one find in a random image? by taneq on Sunday January 15, 2017 @11:47PM (#13408266)
Why the past tense? I thought he was still around? Or do you just mean he's less egotistical these days?
Re:How many animals can one find in a random image? by ajkjk on Monday January 16, 2017 @01:49AM (#13408562)
The examples of him being super egotistical that I'm aware of are from a while ago. I'm thinking of this kind of thing, where he thinks he knows everything about every field: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_New_Kind_of_Science
Re:How many animals can one find in a random image? by SomeStupidPoint on Sunday January 15, 2017 @08:53PM (#13407768)
Why would it be satire?

The question of pattern recognition in random noise is interesting and a legitimate question. Animals (given our propensity to see then) and an interesting subject matter.

Re:How many animals can one find in a random image? by jlarocco on Sunday January 15, 2017 @11:29PM (#13408200)
Generating random noise and then filtering it to "find" patterns seems dubious, at best. Why not just generate animal shapes in the first place?

Starting from a random image it's possible to manipulate and filter it to find literally anything. It doesn't mean there are "animal pictures" in the random data; it means the image has been manipulated to look like it. It's a tautology.

Re:How many animals can one find in a random image? by SomeStupidPoint on Monday January 16, 2017 @12:32AM (#13408388)
In a sufficiently large random image, you'll (probably) find as detailed of a picture of a rabbit as you like.

The question is about how often image recognition (either human or algorithmic) picks up a signal in random noise -- that is, how often we see things that aren't there (or if you prefer, are there, but by chance). Of course you can find anything, the question is with what frequency.

If you've ever spent much time looking at random patterns, you'd know that we're prone to seeing things that aren't there in noise. Modeling that phenomenon is interesting (at least to me).

Re:How many animals can one find in a random image? by penagwin on Monday January 16, 2017 @01:48AM (#13408560)
I don't know much about wolfram things, but just looking through it, it appears that the manipulation and filtering is grouping the randomly generated data (I would argue it's still random), taking only groups between a certain size(this is the least random part, it makes sure there are enough "features" yet not too many), and then smoothing out the groups for display (still completely dependant on the data, which was random).

As the "animals" are smoothed groups of random data, (and differ every time) , I'd argue it's still (basically) random.

Re:How many animals can one find in a random image? by tantalor on Sunday January 15, 2017 @11:11PM (#13408147)
The premise of extracting meaning from noise is flawed. It doesn't matter what process you use to arrive at the meaningful conclusions if the source material is completely meaningless. It's analogous to a fallacy of false premise: you can literally arrive at any conclusion given a false assumption.
Re:How many animals can one find in a random image? by Kaibeezy on Monday January 16, 2017 @10:03AM (#13410316)
"random" encompasses an infinite array of variable parameters -- linear blur, Gaussian blur; white noise, brown noise, pink noise -- some of these can tend to make animals appear in dot patterns, or melodic phrases arise from static, or whisky taste of butterscotch and leather