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Re:Cat-proofing a cat feeding machine by astral303 on Wednesday December 21, 2016 @01:25PM (#13231383)
Don't feed your cat until 7am no matter what. Ignore all foot rubs and meows. He'll eventually learn and give up.

Operant conditioning.

Watch out though for that extra-hard last ditch effort he will put out before giving up. Stay strong.

Re:Cat-proofing a cat feeding machine by silencio on Wednesday December 21, 2016 @03:50PM (#13232511)
How long is "eventually"?

My cat is almost 5 years old. She is the type to overeat to obesity, probably because she was abandoned at ~1yr by her previous owner. For half her life my partner and I have been feeding her like clockwork 3 times a day, minus all of 2-3 weeks of vacations where our roommate took over.

I have to exert a constant effort to maintain our bedroom door and the rubber that I lined on the jamb to prevent her from rattling the door at 5am to ask for food - the paint is a lost cause. We have a white noise machine. We ignore her cries for food. We ignore her pawing things off our desks. We have a system to keep track of food we give her so she can't "trick" the other person. She knows exactly when we feed her (the meows get cranked up a notch about an hour before food time) but despite not giving in, she keeps acting like meowing at us is going to go anywhere.

No luck. And we know we're not underfeeding her - she's getting the calories appropriate for her (currently normal) weight, is being fed wet food, has fresh water, lots of attention and toys, all that stuff.

Unfortunately we have to give this up because we've got a baby on the way, and it's just so frustrating to lose 2+ years of effort put into having her not weigh 18lbs...

Re:Cat-proofing a cat feeding machine by matt_kantor on Wednesday December 21, 2016 @04:07PM (#13232627)
Try an automatic feeder. I have the one mentioned in the article and didn't need to do any extra hardening to protect it from our two cats.

Even though we kept a tight feeding schedule, our cats used to start meowing and pestering us an hour before dinner time. Now, they just sit quietly and stare at the automatic feeder until it dispenses their food.

Re:Cat-proofing a cat feeding machine by peatmoss on Wednesday December 21, 2016 @10:33PM (#13234548)
Second this. Our cat was clearly able to outlast my patience. At one point early-ish into our cat's tenure in our home, during a particularly persistent meowing session I said to my wife (jokingly!), "holy shit I'm going to kill this cat." To which I quickly had the sad realization that some people probably do abuse or kill their pets. So I decided to check for advice from the ASPCA.

All the kitty guides on webbernets say, "be firm and don't give into kitty's demands." Whereas I read on the ASPCA website, "buy an automated feeder."

Guess which worked? Happy automated cat feeder owner, and our cat mostly doesn't drive me insane around feeding times.

For reference, I also own this model of cat feeder and have not needed to harden, though I do have it wedged up next to a wall to lessen risk of tipping.

Re:Cat-proofing a cat feeding machine by silencio on Thursday December 22, 2016 @01:57AM (#13235435)
Fine, fine, I just ordered the Petnet feeder :) Not my first pick, but it supports the 1/16 cup portions I would need to maintain my cat's weight on the dry food that she likes most. I shall see on Christmas Day if she'll tolerate it :D
Re:Cat-proofing a cat feeding machine by silencio on Wednesday December 21, 2016 @04:28PM (#13232778)
That's our eventual plan! I haven't ordered one yet since all of them have reviews about cats being able to open them up plus I have to figure out how to transition to a dry food diet again. Mine will paw at the sealed container of bonito flakes we use as treats... I'm 110% counting on needing to harden a feeder.
Re:Cat-proofing a cat feeding machine by lg on Wednesday December 21, 2016 @05:31PM (#13233232)
for our cat it was two simple solutions: 1, feed her about 1/3 of her daily food right before I go to bed; the later she eats the later she gets hungry. 2, when she cries for food before feeding time, I chase her around the apartment with a spray bottle spraying the shit out of her. over time it has gotten much better, not perfect but she definitely learned that crying for food = getting unpleasantly wet.
Re:Cat-proofing a cat feeding machine by logicfiction on Thursday December 22, 2016 @02:52PM (#13239824)
If spraying works for you that's good. In general it is not recommended to spray because cats generally don't associate punishment well with actions. They are more likely to develop fear of you and/or the object than discouragement for the related concept or activity the punishment is being doled out for.

It was certainly this way with my cat. I really regret the months of different punishments we tried on him to discourage his bad behaviors as it changed his personality.

Re:Cat-proofing a cat feeding machine by somethingelse97 on Wednesday December 21, 2016 @11:36PM (#13234846)
put a tsp of vinegar in the spray bottle. They learn even faster
Re:Cat-proofing a cat feeding machine by sathackr on Wednesday December 21, 2016 @08:31PM (#13234091)
We use an SSSCat[1] device to keep the door paint(and our night-time sanity) in-tact. It's not entirely reliable but it works enough that it keeps them away from the door.

We turn it on when we close the door at night. The cats haven't figured out when it's on or off, but they have figured out if the door is open, they can run really fast past it and it won't get them.

It did stop the door scratching, but now the door scratching has turned to 5am serenades.

[1] https://www.amazon.com/PetSafe-KIT19001-SSScat/dp/B000RIA95G

Re:Cat-proofing a cat feeding machine by rpearl on Wednesday December 21, 2016 @07:35PM (#13233875)
We associate our cat's food with a phone alarm instead of any sort of bothering us. We vary the alarm somewhat over time (three different repeating alarms) so the time of day isn't quite predictable.

This seems to have worked so far to avoid the cat bothering us in the morning.

Re:Cat-proofing a cat feeding machine by stuaxo on Thursday December 22, 2016 @01:21PM (#13239180)
Citronella sprayed near the bottom of the door, after a couple of days they stop as it probably tastes / smells horrible to them.
Re:Cat-proofing a cat feeding machine by paulcole on Thursday December 22, 2016 @01:21AM (#13235306)
My cat was on a "diet" similar to yours. I just ended up giving in and letting him eat all the food he wanted, which ended up being less than expected. He just freaked out at having an empty bowl.

He's a very big strong boy now (20ish pounds) and is just very happy.

My thinking was that he's a cat and what's the point of a cat being unhappy for his whole life.

Re:Cat-proofing a cat feeding machine by silencio on Thursday December 22, 2016 @01:45AM (#13235389)
It's possible 20lbs is closer to your cat's ideal weight, since some breeds tend to run large. Mine only hit 18+lbs while we freefed her. Now she's around 12lbs, in good body condition (just a little more abdominal fat she could stand to lose).

We really had to push the weight loss because it was clear she wasn't meant to be so big. Her asthma was significantly worse when she weighed more (multiple attacks a week vs now I don't even remember the last one within the past year), and there were huge patches of her body covered in greasy dandruff because she couldn't groom herself. It would have eventually led to a lot of problems. Better for us to put up with her antics than to watch a painful death, really.

Re:Cat-proofing a cat feeding machine by blacksmith_tb on Thursday December 22, 2016 @01:52PM (#13239415)
Extra abdominal fat in felines is a feature, not a bug - the 'primordial pouch'[1] which provides some extra protection in fights, and allows for a longer stride (with all four legs spread out more when running). But you know your cat best.

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_anatomy#Skin

Re:Cat-proofing a cat feeding machine by 010a on Wednesday December 21, 2016 @04:02PM (#13232591)
Some animals are just really really dumb.
Re:Cat-proofing a cat feeding machine by derekp7 on Wednesday December 21, 2016 @01:47PM (#13231552)
Cats have been known to modify their purring sounds, to include a sub-carrier that is remarkably similar to an infant crying. That in turn triggers an instinctive response in humans which cause them to subconsciously rise out of bed and apply food to the source of that sound. Source: a documentary on Netflix "The Lion in your Living room".
Re:Cat-proofing a cat feeding machine by bitwize on Wednesday December 21, 2016 @04:38PM (#13232847)
Cats have also been known to resort to terrorism, viz., climbing onto high shelves and systematically knocking fragile items to the floor until their demands are met.
Re:Cat-proofing a cat feeding machine by eric_h on Wednesday December 21, 2016 @08:02PM (#13233987)
Ha! Yes they do - I just posted an anecdote describing this very behavior https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13233945
Re:Cat-proofing a cat feeding machine by bitwize on Wednesday December 21, 2016 @09:49PM (#13234376)
It's apparently so common that there's a game -- Catlateral Damage -- where you play a cat from a first-person perspective and score by knocking as many things to the floor as you can in a set time.
Re:Cat-proofing a cat feeding machine by mschuster91 on Wednesday December 21, 2016 @02:59PM (#13232133)
Well my cats don't need their (damn loud nonetheless) voices to wake me up... the fat cat (7kg) wakes me up by bashing me with full paw force.

Cats are awesome, especially at finding our weaknesses...

Re:Cat-proofing a cat feeding machine by robhu on Wednesday December 21, 2016 @07:30PM (#13233849)
I thought it was that modern house cats have evolved to have their purring contain that similar sound, rather than that they selectively enable a sub-carrier.
Re:Cat-proofing a cat feeding machine by arethuza on Thursday December 22, 2016 @03:35AM (#13235854)
One of our cats has managed to perfect saying something that sounds awfully like a distressed young child crying "mum" - I'm immune to this but it upsets my wife!
Re:Cat-proofing a cat feeding machine by lostlogin on Thursday December 22, 2016 @02:14PM (#13239559)
Any chance of you recording this (the cat, not the distressed wife)?
Re:Cat-proofing a cat feeding machine by arethuza on Thursday December 22, 2016 @03:56PM (#13240321)
He doesn't do it that often and usually at odd times (i.e. middle of the night) but I will give it a go!
Re:Cat-proofing a cat feeding machine by massysett on Wednesday December 21, 2016 @03:26PM (#13232322)
We tried this with our cat for years. He had a designated feeding time. We never broke it. His internal clock is pretty good but not exact, so he starts to pester for food an hour or two before feeding time.

So he would surely wake us up if fed at 7:00am, so one solution is to feed at night. This results in a cat constantly underfoot begging for food for two hours, which is literally a tripping hazard.

The solution is to feed him from a machine and to make sure he never sees us touching the machine. Now, at feeding time he sits by the machine and stares at it, waiting for it to open.

Re:Cat-proofing a cat feeding machine by e40 on Wednesday December 21, 2016 @05:32PM (#13233241)
So, your cat transferred all their respect for you to the machine.
Re:Cat-proofing a cat feeding machine by DonHopkins on Wednesday December 21, 2016 @06:26PM (#13233550)
I love the way my cats stare at me worshipfully, and I'd envy the machine.
Re:Cat-proofing a cat feeding machine by AlexCoventry on Wednesday December 21, 2016 @10:17PM (#13234478)

  > This results in a cat constantly underfoot begging for food
  > for two hours, which is literally a tripping hazard.
We found a solution to this: Only feed the cat when an audible alarm goes off. This way they associate the onset of food behavior with the alarm, not with you.
Re:Cat-proofing a cat feeding machine by bartkappenburg on Wednesday December 21, 2016 @01:32PM (#13231435)
That last ditch effort is called an extinction burst [0]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinction_(psychology)#Exti...

Re:Cat-proofing a cat feeding machine by iamphilrae on Wednesday December 21, 2016 @03:00PM (#13232137)
Until I read the article, I was imagining this: https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/003/312/014/af9095d403701c1...
Re:Cat-proofing a cat feeding machine by Goronmon on Wednesday December 21, 2016 @02:59PM (#13232129)
Don't feed your cat until 7am no matter what. Ignore all foot rubs and meows. He'll eventually learn and give up.

He'll maybe learn to give up. Or he's like one of our cats where we have to install a baby gate on the outside of the closed door to our bedroom to make it difficult for him to bang on the door all night/morning so that we can sleep.

Re:Cat-proofing a cat feeding machine by AlexCoventry on Wednesday December 21, 2016 @10:22PM (#13234490)
Some mild punishment may be necessary. If a cat bothers me while I'm in bed, they get held by their scruff and moved to the floor. The cats bother my wife, but not me.
Re:Cat-proofing a cat feeding machine by Goronmon on Thursday December 22, 2016 @09:05AM (#13237282)
He's kind of a weirdo. He just sees punishment as mostly "attention" and doesn't mind it that much. Plus, any movement towards him in the morning is seen as "I must be getting fed now!" and he gets all excited.
Re:Cat-proofing a cat feeding machine by peatmoss on Wednesday December 21, 2016 @10:35PM (#13234561)
We lock our cat out of the bedroom at night (and have since day 1), and own a cat feeder. Cat ownership bliss.
Re:Cat-proofing a cat feeding machine by rm_-rf_slash on Wednesday December 21, 2016 @04:09PM (#13232646)
My cat is 18. She howls in the middle of the night to get us to play with her and bites at us when she feels too much time has elapsed since her last saucer of milk.

She is way too old to give a fuck anymore and there is nothing to indicate she will ever change at her age. Just like a human.

Re:Cat-proofing a cat feeding machine by coreymaass on Wednesday December 21, 2016 @03:35PM (#13232400)
Before putting the dish down, require that the cat lay on a designated mat. If s/he moves, pick up the dish. Eventually the cat should learn to lay on the mat for the hour before mealtime, rather than bugging you. Worked for both my dog and my cat.
Re:Cat-proofing a cat feeding machine by ghostly_s on Wednesday December 21, 2016 @07:20PM (#13233793)
How on earth do you get the cat to lay on the mat the first time?
Re:Cat-proofing a cat feeding machine by dubya on Wednesday December 21, 2016 @06:42PM (#13233617)
My inlaws have a bird clock, the kind that plays a different bird song at each hour. Cats figure out which birds to listen for.
Re:Cat-proofing a cat feeding machine by jevinskie on Wednesday December 21, 2016 @02:39PM (#13231972)
I already refuse to feed him before 7am but he still tries. He is conditioned on getting breakfast from Dad and I need to condition him to get breakfast from the machine. I'm hoping that loading it with breakfast the night before and a lock indicator LED will remove Dad from the picture and allow for that conditioning.
Re:Cat-proofing a cat feeding machine by Sander_Marechal on Thursday December 22, 2016 @11:39AM (#13238363)
7am? I tried that, and they would still wake me up. I switched to evening feedings instead. My cats get fed at 9pm sharp. They only get one feeding per day and they usually make it last. That means there's still food in their bowls in the morning. It took them a few weeks to get used to it, but now we don't get woken up by the cats anymore. Well, they still jump on the bed and want a cuddle, but no more annoying crying for food.
Re:Cat-proofing a cat feeding machine by lostlogin on Thursday December 22, 2016 @02:11PM (#13239537)
We are 12 years in and the cat is howling away. Same feed time everyday.

She is evil. If her dinner is felt to be sub par she goes into the sleeping child and claws the kid. She has come very close to a final vet visit with this behaviour.

Re:Cat-proofing a cat feeding machine by allergeek on Tuesday December 27, 2016 @01:39PM (#13265001)
Hey, try vinyl claw caps first. Google: cat vinyl nail caps

Animals are complex machines, just as people are. They are mirroring a lot of our traits, as anger or ignorance.

As a final resort, give the cat up by letting someone adopt it. That actually works! Good luck!