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Re:Show HN: Eskéndereyya – Learn How to Read and Write Arabi... by _samihasan_ on Saturday December 17, 2016 @12:38PM (#13201535)
The comparison of Arabic with Russian is not sound as Arabic is written with diacritics which in and of itself is a big plus if you're a native speaker or an experienced one but not so for inexperienced or novice speakers while Russian to my understanding is more explicit about that part.
Re:Show HN: Eskéndereyya – Learn How to Read and Write Arabi... by vetinari on Saturday December 17, 2016 @06:33PM (#13203395)
Do I understand you right, that Arabic uses diacritics when written in Arabic script? Or did you mean Arabic when written in Latin script?

Using diacritics is usually a sign, that the language uses a script that does not map very well to the target language, so the latter would be understandable.

Slavic languages would the same in this regards. Those, that are written in Latin script, have to use diacritics. Those that use Cyrillic, do not need to.

Re:Show HN: Eskéndereyya – Learn How to Read and Write Arabi... by varjag on Saturday December 17, 2016 @06:55PM (#13203473)
All Cyrillic alphabets I am aware of do use diacritics. Й, Ў, Ё, Ґ..
Re:Show HN: Eskéndereyya – Learn How to Read and Write Arabi... by vetinari on Saturday December 17, 2016 @07:23PM (#13203570)
While you are of course right, that there exist such characters, Belorussian and Ukrainian are not all Cyrillic alphabets.

But then, I'm also not an expert on all Slavic languages, I just remember when I was taught Russian and azbuka years ago, there was none and that caught my attention.

Re:Show HN: Eskéndereyya – Learn How to Read and Write Arabi... by lisivka on Saturday December 17, 2016 @10:54PM (#13204231)
> Belorussian and Ukrainian are not all Cyrillic alphabets.

LOL Please, tell us an «all Cyrillic» alphabet. Old Church Slavonic by Saints Cyril and Methodius maybe?

Why Belorussian and Ukrainian are «not all Cyrillic alphabets»? (I'm Ukrainian).

Re:Show HN: Eskéndereyya – Learn How to Read and Write Arabi... by vetinari on Wednesday December 21, 2016 @09:14AM (#13229204)
There's the difference between 'some' and 'all'. Ukrainian and Belorussian are 'some', not 'all'.

Language may have some local specifics - Serbians have Ћ, which all other Cyrillic-using languages do not have. You have І instead of И, etc.

Re:Show HN: Eskéndereyya – Learn How to Read and Write Arabi... by varjag on Saturday December 17, 2016 @07:33PM (#13203630)
Й and ё are in Russian alphabet. In schools it is never highlighted that those are diacritics, so to many it doesn't register.
Re:Show HN: Eskéndereyya – Learn How to Read and Write Arabi... by vostok on Saturday December 17, 2016 @08:04PM (#13203751)
Are those diacritics? I tend to think of them as separate letters just as å and ä are separate letters in Swedish. Of course, ё is usually written as е so I may well be wrong about that.

This is different from è, é, ë, and ê in French where these are all e, but with different diacritics.

Re:Show HN: Eskéndereyya – Learn How to Read and Write Arabi... by krick on Saturday December 17, 2016 @09:04PM (#13203920)
That's my impression of the statement as well. Even if technically they can be called diacritics it doesn't make much sense, not within this discussion. "Й" sounds absolutely unlike "и" and has pretty much no connection to it. "Ё" is a bit more tricky, but nevertheless — there's no another letter in Russian alphabet we could put umlaut on and get the result similar to putting umlaut on "е".

I guess "ь" has more right to be called diacritic, because it genuinely has 1 purpose: altering the other sounds. But even that is treated as a separate letter.

It's nothing like diacritics in French, German or even Latvian, let alone Arabic.

Re:Show HN: Eskéndereyya – Learn How to Read and Write Arabi... by varjag on Sunday December 18, 2016 @06:01AM (#13205322)
Й is absolutely linked with и, and it arose as alphabetic distinction from it. It appeared and disappeared for certain periods; in Russian it reestablished as a letter only in 20th century. It is still commonly collated with И in indexes and dictionaries.

> "Ё" is a bit more tricky, but nevertheless — there's no another letter in Russian alphabet we could put umlaut on and get the result similar to putting umlaut on "е".

This is a bizarre distinction: diacritics in natural languages aren't supposed to be freely recombinable.

Re:Show HN: Eskéndereyya – Learn How to Read and Write Arabi... by lisivka on Saturday December 17, 2016 @10:50PM (#13204214)
Those letters use no diacritics. They are just letters.
Re:Show HN: Eskéndereyya – Learn How to Read and Write Arabi... by varjag on Sunday December 18, 2016 @05:46AM (#13205271)
These are the letters with diacritic marks.
Re:Show HN: Eskéndereyya – Learn How to Read and Write Arabi... by lisivka on Sunday December 18, 2016 @12:43PM (#13206678)
No. іе -> ё, іі -> ї, иі -> й. оу -> ў. They are just shortened, to write less.
Re:Show HN: Eskéndereyya – Learn How to Read and Write Arabi... by varjag on Tuesday December 20, 2016 @04:32AM (#13218531)
Well, ў for once is not a shorthand for оу (e.g. слаўны, ўзяў). But it's beside the point, all diacritics are used to "write less".
Re:Show HN: Eskéndereyya – Learn How to Read and Write Arabi... by vetinari on Wednesday December 21, 2016 @10:27AM (#13229799)
> But it's beside the point, all diacritics are used to "write less".

That may be the reason for misunderstanding. In my language (Slovak), diacritic is not used to "write less". It is used to express different sounds, i.e. s = с, š = ш, c = ц, č = ч.

Re:Show HN: Eskéndereyya – Learn How to Read and Write Arabi... by varjag on Thursday December 22, 2016 @07:01AM (#13236677)
Sure, but just as you demonstrate you have fewer distinct characters when you use diacritic than when you don't. And arguing whether Е and Ё are same character with diacritics, or just different letters that happen to have diacritics by the virtue of canonizing in alphabet is really splitting hairs. They serve same purpose, in the same circumstances, with the same visual arrangement. Quacks like a duck etc.