How many no handed pianists do you see?

It's pretty simple - playing the piano causes limb regrowth.

Are you saying that once you're fat, it's impossible to exercise? I don't buy that.

If you're thin is it impossible to eat?

I'm suggesting that the explanation "you don't see fat joggers because fat people don't jog" is as or more likely than the explanation "you don't see fat joggers because anyone who takes up jogging becomes thin so quickly that nobody sees them during the time when they are fat and jogging".

If fat people took up jogging and became thin, you would see fat joggers.

So the issue isn't that exercise doesn't work, it's that either fat people don't take up jogging, or that exercise does make you thin.

Which was my point.

i am an overweight jogger. of course, i have lost 20 lbs since i started jogging, so we'll see how long that lasts ;)

I think what he is saying is that your views are very black and white, and it's just not that simple. Maybe my definition of fat is different than yours, after working at a tech company for 5 years, but when I think fat I think 300lbs+, not 200lbs with a beer gut that can be jogged off in a few weeks. Some of these people have trouble walking to their cars without some kind of assistance, what is your solution for them? But hey, way to generalize a whole lot of people. Fat is fat, right?

Obviously the solution is to not get into that state in the first place. But granted, easier said than done for some people.

I'm talking about fat - able to exercise if you try. Not talking about morbidly obese.

Overweight people tend to have joint issues that make running really painful. With respect, I don't think it is nearly so simple.

If you assume that's a causation rather than a correlation do the world a favor and don't go into science.

Alternatively, he could do himself a favor and _do_ go into science. Or however that sentence should have been formed.

Then he'd learn about the difference.

My point is, if fat people jog, they don't stay fat for long.

Perhaps I should have been clearer. But I'm lazy.

Yeah, but evidence suggests that isn't true. Studies of people trying to lose weight show that those who exercise and those who don't lose the same amount if you control for eating.

People who cut out calories and exercise lose the same as people who cut out calories and don't. People who exercise without changing eating habits don't lose weight, just like those who do nothing at all.

It's best obviously to do both though. You really don't want saggy skin falling off your body all over the place...

Might be survivor bias - if you are fat, you can't run very well, so maybe few fatties keep running.

That's like saying "If you don't know how to play the piano, few beginner pianists go on to be able to play well".

I think it's just about determination, and wether you actually care enough about achieving the goal.

Prove it by becoming a master piano player then :-)

Also, carrot is obviously good for the eyes. After all, how many rabbits wearing glasses do you see?