Ofcourse there are people who do this much better/faster than me, but the nature of the job still means the actual code output is pretty low.

I can imagine many other functions where code output is super high (adding lots of text of any kind - blogs, templates, new library/config) or super low. I don't think code output correlates well to productivity.

'Programmers' is a coherent grouping in terms of "people who write code as a job", but it doesn't generalize well to "people whose daily work is similar". At the extremes, it's a bit like calling a typist, a copy editor, and a poet all "writers" because they produce text. That's a useful grouping when you're designing Microsoft Word, but it's a lot less useful when you're judging everyone on "lines written today". (I worry that there's a value implication in those three careers, and it's not intended; I just wanted vastly different daily workflows.)

And so the GitPrime result seems useful to know about, but there are clear cases like yours where its inapplicable. I suspect it would also run into issues with things like embedded or critical-failure code - NASA's commit patterns might have nothing in common with the industry standard. Even in my largely standard work, I realize that of my last two projects, one had ~50 commits and the other had ~3. The 3-commit one was a tech-debt project with lots of reading and documentation work, and I'm skeptical the two are at all comparable.

Even within similar work, I imagine things like branching strategies and test coverage alter commit frequency. For the near future, we'll probably continue to see the value of a given assessment stay company-and-role specific.

Those that self-identify as programmers may or may not be current HS or undergrad students. They often know a single language moderately well, maybe a second. Though they know the language, they often don't know what is available to them in the language of choice's standard library, so they often fall victim to re-inventing the wheel.

A developer has a few seasons under their belt. They may know several languages, and even have a fair grasp upon what the standard library of those various languages offer and so less likely to reinvent the wheel (although they still sometimes do). They're more likely to have a larger toolbox and decent grasp on when it's reasonable to use a certain tool (language or framework to tackle a new problem).

An Engineer is more likely to involve tools to solve problems. Got a performance problem? Going to profile instead of running by gut feel. If your company can afford it, vTune is a great tool here. Engineers are more adapt and comfortable using tools such as gdb, valgrind and strace on Linux or say Windbg on Windows. Bonus: they usually don't need to refer to the manuals to specify the correct commands or interpret the results. This doesn't come from accident or pure reading - you have to have real world practice and experience to know when and which tool is appropriate for the problem at hand.

The Senior Engineer knows all of the Engineer as I've briefly outlined above, but also takes the time to teach/mentor/coach the juniors around him or her when they see room for improvement in the junior. And this should not be in the form of "you're doing it wrong, do this instead", but there should be a "why" component in the "you're doing it wrong".

As a bonus for you, I will also try to write good code.

If you base someone's livelihood on a number, expect them to attempt to maximize that number, probably at the expense of other numbers that you may or may not be considering.

This is a big part of why we think engineering metrics are a tough nut to crack: there’s a fair bit of research that suggests tying KPIs to compensation is a huge anti-pattern for certain types of work (chiefly those involving lots of novel problem solving).

Highly recommend Daniel Pink’s “A Whole New Mind” on this topic; it’s pretty fascinating stuff.

Correction, the Pink title I was referring to was "Drive: The Surprising Truth About What Motivates Us"

Pink does a great job unpacking research that demonstrates how this type of 'affect my pay' dynamic backfires for engineering.

What does this mean? The best developers tend to have the most commits?

From what I've seen, a high frequency of commits means either:

  - Has very little understanding and churns out code one day and removes it the next.
  - Thinks a lot about their code, and divides them into digestible, independent chunks.

It's one of the only clear-metric breakdowns that actually makes sense in light of my programming experiences. I'm hesitant about the idea of using it as a management tool (easy to game, and high commit count or even 'high impact' isn't proof of quality). And, as some other people noted, it's quite role-specific - a performance engineer's commit count won't be comparable to a line engineer.

But as a personal insight, or a mentoring tip? This seems excellent. I know I want to write good code, I'm not going to game my personal metrics, so a clear guideline like "break up code more" is a great thing to have.

But yeah, my co-founder has a pretty interesting take on gaming the system.

TL;DR: So, can you game the system? Absolutely. The point is to game the system: https://intercom.help/gitprime/general/cant-you-just-game-th...

Adversarial work does seem like it's largely a sign of communication breakdown. I think 'gaming' isn't always as adversarial as it seems, though. I was considering it in terms of Goodhart's Law, where even with good intentions, representative metrics become less representative as you organize around them. The "active days" entry in your link seems like an example; if everyone pushes most days for the sake of pushing, then active days isn't feedback on programmer skill.

Of course, your link touches on that. "Everyone pushes every day" is a great outcome, even if the metric is no longer clear. The common trend is to pick good metrics, then struggle to keep them relevant. I really like the alternative of just setting metrics that will be good after people optimize.

This is a situation where I feel gaming the system is not an inherently adversarial relationship.

Something your chart doesn't show is people who make a lot of commits/work but the quality is subpar. They behave as prolific programmers but still need to improve.

Idk, I worry that people will interpret this backwards and rather than having characteristics of a good developer ape those characteristics to appear as a good developer.

As a management metric, I would find this concerning - perverse incentives and false positives all over the place. But as a personal observation, I'm going to take it to heart.

This (like most other metrics) seems most useful from a starting point of "while doing my daily work and seeking to write good code, I will apply this". That doesn't make a good tool for deciding who's talented, but I'm still going to remember it.

It might not even be as overt as that. It is a well known phenomenon that what you measure, you improve.

So as soon as you have a quantitative metric for work performance, almost by definition, it can become problematic to use, unless you are very careful how it is used.

This is not to say that finding a qualitative method is useless, far from it. It can lead to valuable insights and improve overall quality of the team/business.

Can you guys supply an RSS feed link? If you have one, I wasn't able to find it.

I've also noticed that experienced programmers do their commits more frequently and they do the right job - they spend less time on unimportant details.

It also depends on the codebase. A programmer who works on similar codebases for 10 years is more likely to have a high impact than the one who work less and consider these codebases rather new. While their approach and skill set may be similar.

Note that every metric can be gamed, by the way.