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Re:Things You Notice When You Quit the News by codingdave on Sunday December 11, 2016 @06:14PM (#13154059)
I quit watching the news right around 1999. My family once challenged me how I knew about important events, and I told them that people in my life would let me know if anything occurred that I needed to know. They challenged me by quizzing me on major recent events. When they did find one that I had no idea about, they asked, "See? Nobody told you about that!" I replied, "You just did." And they have not argued about it again. They do continue to inform me, though, and it all works out.
Re:Things You Notice When You Quit the News by knz on Sunday December 11, 2016 @09:19PM (#13155023)
The downside of this approach is that if we all did it then the world would be a much worse place.

Paying attention to current events and bearing witness to some of the darkest aspects of human history is important at a societal level and if you don't think it is important to you personally then consider yourself lucky to live a life where the real world doesn't creep in often. Understanding topics such as why refugees are fleeing conflict, the societal changes due to automation etc, and the consequences of climate change are critical to a healthy and functional nation.

Personally I can't stand the breathless hysteria/sensationalism of most mainstream American media organizations (particularly television) and prefer organizations that favour accuracy and historical context over clickbait.

Re:Things You Notice When You Quit the News by equalarrow on Sunday December 11, 2016 @09:51PM (#13155133)
> Paying attention to current events and bearing witness to some of the darkest aspects of human history is important at a societal level and if you don't think it is important to you personally then consider yourself lucky to live a life where the real world doesn't creep in often.

But, how do you even know what really happens? Mainstream news is ridiculous in its intent because it literally is "if it thinks it stinks, if it bleeds it leads". There is nothing good to get from mainstream news. Nothing. Sliced and diced to the most emotional snippets you could conceive of.

I feel bad for people that just get trampled on from all over the world, but that's as far as I let it go. During the 2nd Bush election I went all out, I was into trying to 'make a difference'. I protested, traveled, got involved with local and national groups, was surveilled, and literally was putting my safety on the line to try to make the world a better place.

In the end, he still got re-elected and some of the most corrupt people in U.S. history continued their rampage. It was bad enough the first time, but the second time completely just blew away my foundation of what I thought was just in the world. I never trusted the news or politicians after that. They are not here for 'us'. They ALL have an agenda whether you like it or not. There is such a disconnect between 'content' and real people - it's pathetic and there's no where that that comes out more than from tv.

After all of this, I've decided to just act locally and contribute to causes that want to fight the good fight but, in my mind, are in for a lot of suffering and struggle (eff, aclu, center for human rights, amnesty, etc). It takes a toll on one when you are struggling and it's nonstop uphill.

My wife and friends are always coming up to me with the latest tragedy that has surfaced on facebook. family members, the latest shooting or crash, or death or whatever. I choose to remove myself from all of this because it does _no good_ to me and for me.

Unless I actually go to those places and involve myself with those struggles (see point 5 in op), then I'm just fooling myself by being 'concerned'.

Tv and news is a waste of precious time and there are much better ways to affect and change the world than being sedentary and 'informed' yet doing nothing.

Re:Things You Notice When You Quit the News by knz on Sunday December 11, 2016 @10:00PM (#13155168)
> But, how do you even know what really happens? Mainstream news is ridiculous in its intent because it literally is "if it thinks it stinks, if it bleeds it leads". There is nothing good to get from mainstream news. Nothing. Sliced and diced to the most emotional snippets you could conceive of.

The only ways to mitigate this is to use a healthy amount of skepticism, to educate yourself on the historical context of ongoing current events, and to be aware of the slant that even the most impartial news source may have.

I don't disagree in regards to acting rather than just being informed and that acting locally is probably the best way we can make a difference. Likewise with burning out on media!

Re:Things You Notice When You Quit the News by ywecur on Sunday December 11, 2016 @10:35PM (#13155304)
Or subscribe to slow journalism

http://www.slow-journalism.com/

Re:Things You Notice When You Quit the News by Forlien on Monday December 12, 2016 @04:56AM (#13156927)
Interestingly, I took this quote to mean both that reported news is biased, but the decision of what events to report upon is biased too. Being a skeptic solves the first issue. For the second, filtering what you read doesn't help if you aren't reading stories that are valuable to you but aren't tragic / scary / interesting enough for the rest of the news source's readers. Since news sources are biased, how can you know what you aren't seeing?
Re:Things You Notice When You Quit the News by XJOKOLAT on Monday December 12, 2016 @12:40AM (#13155853)
> But, how do you even know what really happens? Mainstream news is ridiculous in its intent because it literally is "if it thinks it stinks, if it bleeds it leads". There is nothing good to get from mainstream news. Nothing. Sliced and diced to the most emotional snippets you could conceive of.

Our education system was supposed to deliver critical thinkers. Either the system failed you (and possibly a generation), or you have forgotten its lessons.

Re:Things You Notice When You Quit the News by dingaling on Monday December 12, 2016 @01:21AM (#13156026)
> The downside of this approach is that if we all did it then the world would be a much worse place.

I can't fix the World or the dark aspects of the human soul, but hopefully made my local area a better place since I dropped-out of the news-cycle a few years ago. I use my former news 'time-budget' to become invoved in Council business, to follow the activities of my local politicians and to just go and do stuff that benefits people around the town.

I feel better informed as a result and I'm no longer surprised and enraged by 'unexpected' changes in my local environment.

I helped to fix a pothole in a local road last week. Utterly irrelevant on a global scale, but then so is a plane crash in Colombia.

Re:Things You Notice When You Quit the News by sextus_prop on Monday December 12, 2016 @05:31AM (#13157089)
> The downside of this approach is that if we all did it then the world would be a much worse place.

Or not, maybe it would be better. Imagine country where people are mindful about their immediate surrounding and don't buy into ideological bullshit sold by mass media. Want to send young men to some war? Well tough luck, if there is no conflict at the doorstep then this move is probably to benefit someone else, not you.

Refugees overflowing streets? Common sense tells you to take a look at what kind of people they are and if they are good and acknowledge their situation and want to better it, then help them. But if they act like arrogant invaders then common sense would be to tell them to bugger off. Yet media adhering to its ideology would tell you that you are wrong to use common sense. That somehow WYSIWYG is not right here and that some abstract oppression these people are fleeting from is more important.

>and the consequences of climate change are critical to a healthy and functional nation

Lets see how in future china deals with climate change as opposed to societies with 'well informed' citizens.

Re:Things You Notice When You Quit the News by thenomad on Monday December 12, 2016 @08:02AM (#13157728)
Counterpoint: it's been shown again and again that continued exposure to outlets deliberately cherry-picking the worst aspects of humanity (commercial news outlets) has a pretty negative effect on worldviews.

And that in turn leads to negative outcomes.

More authoritarianism, more withdrawal into closed communities, more willingness to vote for leaders who will solve the "terrible state" of the country / world by any means necessary, more enthusiasm for punishment over empathy, more othering of whichever ethic/social group that's currently being blamed for Everything Being Bad.

If you're trying to gain an accurate understanding of the world, starting with sources with an extremely strong incentive to bias the hell out of your worldview is probably not the best way to do it.

And if you're just trying to understand and mentally experience the worst humanity has to offer, then history books have plenty of really horrible shit in them, generally far worse than the 21st century so far (thankfully).

Re:Things You Notice When You Quit the News by lucaspiller on Sunday December 11, 2016 @10:56PM (#13155400)
I'd argue that mainstream news sources promote a false understanding of these topics. If you truly want to understand then you are going to need to do your own research. For example, The Sun is one of the most popular newspapers in the U.K.:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=the+sun+sensationalist+hea...

Re:Things You Notice When You Quit the News by lucb1e on Monday December 12, 2016 @12:32PM (#13159890)
> The downside of this approach is that if we all did it then the world would be a much worse place.

I think on the way to that happening, the world would become a much better place before it gets worse. Only a very tiny percentage of us needs to try to understand events around the world and repeat to peers what they think is worth repeating, then those peers repeat to their peers what they thought was important to hear, and so on.

It's already kind of happening since journalists aren't a big percentage of the population, but instead of filtering out the important stuff, it's what we call the "media circus" and big business.

Re:Things You Notice When You Quit the News by eeZah7Ux on Monday December 12, 2016 @07:11AM (#13157487)
> Paying attention to current events and bearing witness to some of the darkest aspects of human history is important at a societal level

You are confusing reading/watching the news with being informed. Trusting superficial and biased news is disinformation. Being a witness, a citizen journalist, an activist, and reading books thoroughly is another thing.

Re:Things You Notice When You Quit the News by closeparen on Sunday December 11, 2016 @09:32PM (#13155073)
Please don't conflate the news with the TV news, which "fell" long before the respectable national newspapers started to.

I agree it is not a good idea to watch the news. It's probably a good idea to read it.

Re:Things You Notice When You Quit the News by nandemo on Monday December 12, 2016 @12:01AM (#13155658)
But OP is talking about TV:

> To be clear, I’m mostly talking about following TV and internet newscasts here

Title is clickbaity, but that's not any commenter's fault.

Re:Things You Notice When You Quit the News by closeparen on Monday December 12, 2016 @12:40AM (#13155852)
Codingdave is talking about having no information about what's happening in the world (other than what friends tell him), which would imply cutting off all news sources, not just TV.
Re:Things You Notice When You Quit the News by codingdave on Monday December 12, 2016 @08:02AM (#13157726)
No, I am not. I am talking about my filter being actual people, not mainstream media. Once I know of something, I go out and look for more information. And I keep very informed of local events, reading everything put out by my city -- council meetings minutes, announcements, planning committee documents, etc.

I can see where the misunderstanding may have come from -- I could have explained it better originally.

Re:Things You Notice When You Quit the News by castratikron on Sunday December 11, 2016 @08:00PM (#13154656)
I use this to justify blocking all emails from corporate at work.
Re:Things You Notice When You Quit the News by pryelluw on Sunday December 11, 2016 @06:56PM (#13154339)
I did the same thing years ago. Same reaction. Nobody in my home watches the news. We are better off
Re:Things You Notice When You Quit the News by megablast on Sunday December 11, 2016 @09:36PM (#13155090)
> I replied, "You just did." And they have not argued about it again.

This is just silly.

Re:Things You Notice When You Quit the News by sean_patel on Sunday December 11, 2016 @06:27PM (#13154150)
I don't get why everyone is downvoting this. Care to explain, down-voters?

> I told them that people in my life would let me know if anything occurred that I needed to know.

This is so true. I told my girlfriend the same thing after she got mad that I quit news and said "Oh, you'll need to know important local news (stabbings, crime in San Francisco, protests for traffic etc).

That 1 time where someone 4 blocks from my home got run over by some dummy doing facebook live in her car while driving, the convenient store guy in my block asked me "Hey, did you hear about that so and so got run over." I said no, but you just told me. :)

Re:Things You Notice When You Quit the News by tasty_freeze on Sunday December 11, 2016 @07:18PM (#13154467)
Here are a few reasons

* It puts the burden of collecting and summarizing relevant news on others

* You are at the mercy of the grapevine effect, which only gets worse as more and more people take up this solution so your news takes more hops before you receive it

* And, most importantly, your sources are also not getting their news first hand; their sources the very same crappy news outlets that you yourself rejected.

Re:Things You Notice When You Quit the News by concinds on Monday December 12, 2016 @06:11AM (#13157245)
How does knowing that a train derailed and 300 people died, or that someone got stabbed, change your behavior in any way, shape or form? This may seem callous, but in my country the average person watches 3h of TV every day. That's 3 hours they could spend on a side-job, on a hobby, improving professional skills, getting fit, spending more time with their kids. Who cares that someone got stabbed? Most people care to "improve the world" (however dyfunctionally and pathologically) when they can't even be bothered to take care of themselves (75% of people in US are overweight) or to be good parents (1/3 of families in UK don't eat together at the dinner table, or even have a dinner table).

Not following the news is a perfectly rational choice. You'll be less stressed, much happier, less distracted therefore have better self-knowledge and a better capacity to self-actualize, and you can spend more time with your kids (who really need it).

In life, there aren't the uninformed and the informed. There are the uninformed and the misinformed.

Re:Things You Notice When You Quit the News by tasty_freeze on Tuesday December 13, 2016 @12:10PM (#13168403)
You are addressing a point my comment didn't address. I didn't say that someone needs to know that stuff. My point was that relying on your social network to let you know about important news doesn't increase the quality of the news you do receive.
Re:Things You Notice When You Quit the News by flogic on Sunday December 11, 2016 @10:06PM (#13155191)
Not really though. If it's important, you have the option to do a dive and read up on something. At least for me, it's not about not paying attention. It's about not being force fed. The world can be an awful place especially when viewed through the lens of sensationalism. It's just not healthy for my household to be constantly connected to that. So what I do is try to pay attention on a meta level and only delve for details on my term. It requires intellectual honesty but in the end is healthier and more informative.
Re:Things You Notice When You Quit the News by gurneyHaleck on Sunday December 11, 2016 @10:15PM (#13155223)
If there's only one source of news that feeds into the grapevine effect then you only need to tune into the grapevine.

There are like five journalistic camps that feed into my grapevine, and they all report the same stories, and spin five different opinions on the same daily topics. Thus, the grapevine provides the same complete set, five times, redundantly.

All of the stories from these camps are useless. The stories are not, in fact relevant, and so I do not care how slowly they appear at my feet. I usually just step over them anyway and go about my business.

Re:Things You Notice When You Quit the News by TheRealDunkirk on Monday December 12, 2016 @12:15PM (#13159717)
Going one step further, I think 99% of the facts are irrelevant. It's the COVERAGE of the facts that matters. The presidential debates were a perfect example. WHAT was said was of absolutely no consequence. HOW it was said was equally inconsequential. What was important was all the chatter ABOUT what was said, and how it was said. The handful of media conglomerates TELL the vast majority of the population how to feel and what to think about what happened, and THAT'S the only important part to understand.
Re:Things You Notice When You Quit the News by JoBrad on Sunday December 11, 2016 @07:18PM (#13154463)
So you're relying on others (who are watching the news that you don't want to get contaminated with) to tell you the news? How is that any better than just listening to it yourself? It sounds remarkably worse to me: telephone, but with real events.
Re:Things You Notice When You Quit the News by dang on Sunday December 11, 2016 @09:02PM (#13154967)
> I don't get why everyone is downvoting this. Care to explain, down-voters?

Please don't change the subject to downvotes. The HN guidelines already contain two admonitions against this and I'd like not to add a third.

Re:Things You Notice When You Quit the News by sean_patel on Sunday December 11, 2016 @11:24PM (#13155527)
But what if I really want to know. There is no explanation.
Re:Things You Notice When You Quit the News by dang on Monday December 12, 2016 @12:50AM (#13155893)
That's a burden we all must bear, for the sake of not degrading the site. At least we all bear it equally.
Re:Things You Notice When You Quit the News by lisivka on Sunday December 11, 2016 @11:58PM (#13155647)
I managed to get answer from one of such downvoters: "I don't know, but it looks contradictory to general knowledge, so I downvoted you".

I hope, it will help.

If you have high IQ but lazy at explaining of basic things for regular Joe, regular Joe will downvote you, because he cannot follow you nor discuss with you.

At work, to check is my explanation is simple enough, I play a challenging game while thinking (I use sopwith, my IQ is about 140): if I'm able to think and play at same time, then my brain has some power to spare, so it is simple enough for people with IQ about 120. If not, then they will not be able to follow me. I use that technique for almost decade. Works well at work, when I have time to explain, e.g. in comments to tickets, emails, and so on.