Re:PG Wodehouse secures redemption as British Library acquir...
by whowalrus on Friday December 09, 2016 @10:36AM
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This news item is an eye-opener for me. As a Wodehouse fan I'd always assumed the Nazi broadcast incident was a small blip in his life. Did not realize it had such a major impact on his life.
Re:PG Wodehouse secures redemption as British Library acquir...
by roter on Friday December 09, 2016 @12:05PM
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George Orwell wrote in 1946 a reasoned defence of Wodehouse[0]. In particular the final paragraph:
> In the desperate circumstances of the time, it was excusable to be angry at what Wodehouse did, but to go on denouncing him three or four years later — and more, to let an impression remain that he acted with conscious treachery — is not excusable. Few things in this war have been more morally disgusting than the present hunt after traitors and Quislings. At best it is largely the punishment of the guilty by the guilty. In France, all kinds of petty rats — police officials, penny-a-lining journalists, women who have slept with German soldiers — are hunted down while almost without exception the big rats escape. In England the fiercest tirades against Quislings are uttered by Conservatives who were practising appeasement in 1938 and Communists who were advocating it in 1940. I have striven to show how the wretched Wodehouse — just because success and expatriation had allowed him to remain mentally in the Edwardian age — became the corpus vile in a propaganda experiment, and I suggest that it is now time to regard the incident as closed. If Ezra Pound is caught and shot by the American authorities, it will have the effect of establishing his reputation as a poet for hundreds of years; and even in the case of Wodehouse, if we drive him to retire to the United States and renounce his British citizenship, we shall end by being horribly ashamed of ourselves. Meanwhile, if we really want to punish the people who weakened national morale at critical moments, there are other culprits who are nearer home and better worth chasing.
Re:PG Wodehouse secures redemption as British Library acquir...
by sriram_sun on Friday December 09, 2016 @12:13PM
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Thank you! As someone who grew up in India and inherited a significant number of the Wodehouse collection from my Grandfather, I wasn't aware of any of this. Not all of my friends were into this kind of humor, but to me it was the British literary equivalent of the Three Stooges! There was a time when I'd read paragraphs over and over just rotfl.
Re:PG Wodehouse secures redemption as British Library acquir...
by lake99 on Friday December 09, 2016 @11:45AM
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> long tarnished by charges of Nazi collaboration
Is that an American or a British thing? I know quite a few diehard fans of Wodehouse in India. One of them even sent me transcripts of his radio broadcasts. The broadcasts seemed entirely innocuous to me. And my friends who don't like Wodehouse's writings are not aware of the broadcasts at all, suggesting that that's not the reason they don't read his works.
Re:PG Wodehouse secures redemption as British Library acquir...
by neaden on Friday December 09, 2016 @11:58AM
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British thing I believe, at least I've never heard it mentioned Stateside, though Wodehouse isn't very famous here. I think a lot of people were angry at him at the time is happened and stayed mad for the rest of his life.
Re:PG Wodehouse secures redemption as British Library acquir...
by mattmanser on Friday December 09, 2016 @11:58AM
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It's further in the article:
It was largely innocent stuff...[but]...[h]is timing could not have been worse. June 1941 was a low point in the Allies’ conduct of the war. The Nazis, with tank divisions storming across Soviet Russia, seemed on the brink of victory. Wodehouse’s “treachery” became the object of hysterical warmongering in the British media, led by an alliance of the Daily Mirror and the BBC.
Re:PG Wodehouse secures redemption as British Library acquir...
by wyclif on Friday December 09, 2016 @11:13AM
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One of the greatest writers, even beyond considerations of humour. Reading PGW for reasons other the pleasure is probably misguided, but if you want to improve your English prose there is gold in those pages. This possibly explains his enduring popularity in India.
Re:PG Wodehouse secures redemption as British Library acquir...
by luckydude on Friday December 09, 2016 @11:48AM
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There are some authors where you can read their work only once, it's just not fun the second time around. Wodehouse is the opposite of that, the way he strings words together is just laugh out loud fun every time you read them.
One of my favorite authors, worth a read if you haven't already.
And the writer RK Narayan, with his distinct characters and humorous stories, is the Indian response to Wodehouse. PGW is read, as he is all over the world, for his humo(u)r, wit and brilliance.
Re:PG Wodehouse secures redemption as British Library acquir...
by Veen on Friday December 09, 2016 @01:31PM
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I'm British and I make a living as a writer. I wouldn't find it condescending to be told that I can learn something from Wodehouse - his prose is sublime.
Perhaps you overreacted to what was an innocent and general comment about learning from Wodehouse's prose, rather than a condescending suggestion that Indians could benefit in particular.
Re:PG Wodehouse secures redemption as British Library acquir...
by grzm on Friday December 09, 2016 @03:04PM
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The majority of your comment is useful and substantive. (Thanks for the link!) The leading Condescending much? is unnecessary and uncivil regardless of the interaction, which is likely why you're being down-voted.
Re:PG Wodehouse secures redemption as British Library acquir...
by kranner on Friday December 09, 2016 @10:20PM
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> RK Narayan, with his distinct characters and humorous stories, is the Indian response to Wodehouse.
I don't understand this. It's not a competition. The two are not even comparable. RK Narayan's novels have great characterisation, and a much more diverse range of plots than Wodehouse attempted, but not all of his work seems intended to be laugh-out-loud funny. And his prose seems quite dull, until you come to accept the plainness as having some kind of charm of its own.
Re:PG Wodehouse secures redemption as British Library acquir...
by cyberferret on Friday December 09, 2016 @05:20PM
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I became a fan of Wodehouse via Adams' work and interviews where he constantly cited Wodehouse as an inspiration. A real tragedy that DNA too, is not with us any more to delight us with his wordplay.
> In the desperate circumstances of the time, it was excusable to be angry at what Wodehouse did, but to go on denouncing him three or four years later — and more, to let an impression remain that he acted with conscious treachery — is not excusable. Few things in this war have been more morally disgusting than the present hunt after traitors and Quislings. At best it is largely the punishment of the guilty by the guilty. In France, all kinds of petty rats — police officials, penny-a-lining journalists, women who have slept with German soldiers — are hunted down while almost without exception the big rats escape. In England the fiercest tirades against Quislings are uttered by Conservatives who were practising appeasement in 1938 and Communists who were advocating it in 1940. I have striven to show how the wretched Wodehouse — just because success and expatriation had allowed him to remain mentally in the Edwardian age — became the corpus vile in a propaganda experiment, and I suggest that it is now time to regard the incident as closed. If Ezra Pound is caught and shot by the American authorities, it will have the effect of establishing his reputation as a poet for hundreds of years; and even in the case of Wodehouse, if we drive him to retire to the United States and renounce his British citizenship, we shall end by being horribly ashamed of ourselves. Meanwhile, if we really want to punish the people who weakened national morale at critical moments, there are other culprits who are nearer home and better worth chasing.
[0] http://orwell.ru/library/reviews/plum/english/e_plum
Is that an American or a British thing? I know quite a few diehard fans of Wodehouse in India. One of them even sent me transcripts of his radio broadcasts. The broadcasts seemed entirely innocuous to me. And my friends who don't like Wodehouse's writings are not aware of the broadcasts at all, suggesting that that's not the reason they don't read his works.
It was largely innocent stuff...[but]...[h]is timing could not have been worse. June 1941 was a low point in the Allies’ conduct of the war. The Nazis, with tank divisions storming across Soviet Russia, seemed on the brink of victory. Wodehouse’s “treachery” became the object of hysterical warmongering in the British media, led by an alliance of the Daily Mirror and the BBC.
Well, the point was that he did them at all.
One of my favorite authors, worth a read if you haven't already.
The Inimitable Jeeves
Thank You, Jeeves
The Code of the Woosters
There is a sophisticated and voracious readership of English in India. And it has given the world many great writers with unparalleled output in English - see http://www.inflibnet.ac.in/ojs/index.php/JLCMS/article/viewF...
And the writer RK Narayan, with his distinct characters and humorous stories, is the Indian response to Wodehouse. PGW is read, as he is all over the world, for his humo(u)r, wit and brilliance.
Perhaps you overreacted to what was an innocent and general comment about learning from Wodehouse's prose, rather than a condescending suggestion that Indians could benefit in particular.
I don't understand this. It's not a competition. The two are not even comparable. RK Narayan's novels have great characterisation, and a much more diverse range of plots than Wodehouse attempted, but not all of his work seems intended to be laugh-out-loud funny. And his prose seems quite dull, until you come to accept the plainness as having some kind of charm of its own.
Mostly because Clemens had more bite.