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Re:U.S. Supreme Court Curbs Excessive Design Patent Damages by spacemanmatt on Thursday December 08, 2016 @11:38AM (#13131543)
A political science prof once laid out the scope of politics as anything regarding the exchange of power or money. That seemed like an overbroad statement at the time, but now it seems like I was under-perceiving the political aspect of pretty much everything at the time.
Re:U.S. Supreme Court Curbs Excessive Design Patent Damages by runako on Thursday December 08, 2016 @12:52PM (#13132325)
I have read that the modern usage of the word "economics" is a replacement for the older term "political economy." It seems our ancestors were more wordy but also more accurate.
Re:U.S. Supreme Court Curbs Excessive Design Patent Damages by dredmorbius on Friday December 09, 2016 @08:15AM (#13138549)
Both were originally "moral philosophy". "Political economy" mostly split into "economics" and "political science" in the 1880s, though the odd department of political economy can still be found.

One of Adam Smith's shortest sentences in Wealth of Nations is "Wealth, as Mr Hobbes says, is power." It's all about power and its distribution.

Re:U.S. Supreme Court Curbs Excessive Design Patent Damages by hkt on Thursday December 08, 2016 @06:50PM (#13135464)
The term isn't dead: at the very least, British social democrats still use it.
Re:U.S. Supreme Court Curbs Excessive Design Patent Damages by nickpsecurity on Thursday December 08, 2016 @11:47AM (#13131639)
I'm going to have to think on that definition for a while. It does seem like an oversimplification but those two things do bring in human competition. The competition is social more often than not. Social competition is the basis of political action. Professor might have had it right.
Re:U.S. Supreme Court Curbs Excessive Design Patent Damages by jasim on Thursday December 08, 2016 @11:53AM (#13131702)
There is a rather strong quote by the German dramatist Bertolt Brecht that for me drives home the point of how economics and politics are inseparable.

“The worst illiterate is the political illiterate, he doesn’t hear, doesn’t speak, nor participates in the political events. He doesn’t know the cost of life, the price of the bean, of the fish, of the flour, of the rent, of the shoes and of the medicine, all depends on political decisions. The political illiterate is so stupid that he is proud and swells his chest saying that he hates politics. The imbecile doesn’t know that, from his political ignorance is born the prostitute, the abandoned child, and the worst thieves of all, the bad politician, corrupted and flunky of the national and multinational companies.”

Re:U.S. Supreme Court Curbs Excessive Design Patent Damages by enraged_camel on Thursday December 08, 2016 @12:45PM (#13132273)
I fully agree with him. I've long maintained that a healthy democracy requires the populace to be politically informed and active, regardless of stance or belief.

It is deeply disturbing that 100M+ Americans didn't vote in the most recent election. I bet a lot of those were people who, as Brecht points out, are proud of the fact that they hate politics and don't care about it. They always spout ignorant bullshit like "both parties are the same anyway" and they say that with a smug, holier-than-thou attitude, as if they've discovered some hidden insight. It really rustles my jimmies.

Re:U.S. Supreme Court Curbs Excessive Design Patent Damages by xor1 on Thursday December 08, 2016 @03:24PM (#13133933)
How do you feel about the people who voted contrary to your political choices? Do you view them with more or less disdain than you appear to have for those who sat this one out?
Re:U.S. Supreme Court Curbs Excessive Design Patent Damages by rodgerd on Thursday December 08, 2016 @05:51PM (#13135053)
I can't speak for the parent, but in general I have a great deal more respect for people who vote for things I disagree with than people who share my values but can't be fucked doing anything to effect them.
Re:U.S. Supreme Court Curbs Excessive Design Patent Damages by xor1 on Friday December 09, 2016 @12:40AM (#13136908)
That's interesting, do you still feel that way when they're voting in favor of things that have the potential to significantly degrade your quality of life?
Re:U.S. Supreme Court Curbs Excessive Design Patent Damages by munchbunny on Saturday December 10, 2016 @01:52AM (#13144448)
I'm not the person you responded to, but here's my take.

I can respect someone I personally dislike. I can also respect someone who disagrees with me. I can even respect someone who makes my life harder, though I might dislike them for it.

But I lose respect for a person for many other things.

Once you tally up all of the factors, I do have trouble respecting most of the Trump voters I've personally encountered so far (not many) because I sensed too much intellectual laziness or cognitive dissonance.

Once you tally up all of the factors, I'm not sure that Trump voters come out ahead of non-voters in aggregate.

Re:U.S. Supreme Court Curbs Excessive Design Patent Damages by cmdrfred on Thursday December 08, 2016 @03:02PM (#13133753)
When it comes to issues I care about most (mass incarceration, surveillance, war, poverty, torture and corruption) both parties are effectively identical.
Re:U.S. Supreme Court Curbs Excessive Design Patent Damages by chetanahuja on Thursday December 08, 2016 @05:56PM (#13135084)
On a purely scientific level, US is about to run an experiment where they're handing power completely over to one side of the aisle for at least 2 full years after having a split government for the last 6. You're likely to get sufficient data during this period to make your determination whether your (IMHO ill-informed) opinion is indeed true.
Re:U.S. Supreme Court Curbs Excessive Design Patent Damages by cmdrfred on Thursday December 08, 2016 @07:35PM (#13135698)
I'm keeping an open mind, if it ends up as more of the same again I hope you will as well.
Re:U.S. Supreme Court Curbs Excessive Design Patent Damages by eli_gottlieb on Friday December 09, 2016 @05:38PM (#13142486)
I think the transition Cabinet already shows that there is some difference. Clinton would not have dreamed of trying to abolish Social Security.
Re:U.S. Supreme Court Curbs Excessive Design Patent Damages by chetanahuja on Friday December 09, 2016 @03:22AM (#13137455)
Currently I'm mostly keeping an open mouth watching the events that are unfolding in this timeline.
Re:U.S. Supreme Court Curbs Excessive Design Patent Damages by vkou on Thursday December 08, 2016 @03:29PM (#13133974)
The place to change that is the primaries.
Re:U.S. Supreme Court Curbs Excessive Design Patent Damages by nitrogen on Thursday December 08, 2016 @03:58PM (#13134226)
This thread could rapidly veer out of control, so rather than add my counterargument here, can I (as an ordinary user not affiliated with HN) suggest that we stop here, or at least hold ourselves to a minimum length and point/counterpoint format?
Re:U.S. Supreme Court Curbs Excessive Design Patent Damages by rspeer on Thursday December 08, 2016 @05:55PM (#13135078)
Particularly for local and state elections (where all of those issues besides war and torture will primarily be decided).
Re:U.S. Supreme Court Curbs Excessive Design Patent Damages by hackinthebochs on Thursday December 08, 2016 @06:30PM (#13135334)
Only those holding an insufficient amount of nuance on these issues can honestly believe that.
Re:U.S. Supreme Court Curbs Excessive Design Patent Damages by nickpsecurity on Thursday December 08, 2016 @08:52PM (#13136045)
Not true. Both final candidates supported and benefited from the causes of most of that list. They also mocked various Constitutional amendments. Tyrants that are just the same for that list and what supposedly empowers them.
Re:U.S. Supreme Court Curbs Excessive Design Patent Damages by dilemma on Saturday December 10, 2016 @05:47AM (#13145077)
So the end game for dang's experiment was "the prostitute, the abandoned child, and the worst thieves of all, the bad politician, corrupted and flunky of the national and multinational companies.”
Re:U.S. Supreme Court Curbs Excessive Design Patent Damages by jasim on Saturday December 10, 2016 @12:31PM (#13146722)
I daresay not. The problem was that unless we're talking hardcore science/engineering, there is always a political shade to things that affect the real world. But as a non-american, I wouldn't have minded if the experiment continued since a lot of the political discourse here is extremely US-centric and repetitive.
Re:U.S. Supreme Court Curbs Excessive Design Patent Damages by rodgerd on Thursday December 08, 2016 @05:49PM (#13135038)
"Politics" is how you solve problems without hitting one another.
Re:U.S. Supreme Court Curbs Excessive Design Patent Damages by meowface on Thursday December 08, 2016 @07:41PM (#13135727)
Or, sometimes, a way to convince people to solve problems by hitting one another...
Re:U.S. Supreme Court Curbs Excessive Design Patent Damages by Double_Cast on Thursday December 08, 2016 @01:51PM (#13132962)
In the context of Dang's experiment, I think a better definition of politics is "anything which involves coercion onto an unwilling party."

Politics is etymologically related to policy. Which is a set of norms over a group. I.e. all policy is group policy.

The role of the governmemt to set and enforce those policies. Governance is generally preferable to anarchy because governance allows us to reap economies of scale. Which is invaluable in a universe of scarce resources. But due to conflicts of interest, optimal policy is often disagreed upon. Therefore, it is common that policy is forced upon one or more parties which believe the policy suboptimal, in the name of compromise.

I personally dislike when someone forces something upon me. Likewise, I dislike when I must force something upon someone else. As a result, negotiation of policy can feel frustrating and exhausting. This sentiment is where I suspect the desire for "politics-free spaces" originates from.

Regarding Dang's flag experiment. I cautiously propose the rule that: any article whose thesis asserts "a normative statement which may affect an unwilling party" is worthy of a flag. E.g. while most think of the Supreme Court as an inherently political entity, and while litigation involves an unwilling party (whoever loses), the above article's thesis is informative rather than persuasive. Therefore, I would not flag the above article. This flag policy would aim to target the inciteful, rather than the insightful.

Re:U.S. Supreme Court Curbs Excessive Design Patent Damages by user5994461 on Thursday December 08, 2016 @06:34PM (#13135359)
Wait... What?!

Politics is etymologically related to "polis", which is the greek word for "city".

The greek (and the later adaptation in latin) gave "politic" to designate 'the affairs of the city', and 'polites' for 'citizen'.

To put that simply, "politic" is supposed to be the management of a city.

Re:U.S. Supreme Court Curbs Excessive Design Patent Damages by Double_Cast on Thursday December 08, 2016 @11:31PM (#13136695)
I agree. "Polis" is the root of both "politics" and "policy" [0]. The modern definition of policy extends to groups both larger or smaller than cities. I don't know which claim is under dispute.

[0] http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=policy&allowed_in_f...

Re:U.S. Supreme Court Curbs Excessive Design Patent Damages by hisham_hm on Friday December 09, 2016 @08:14AM (#13138540)
"Politics" and "policy" even translate today to the same word in Portuguese and Spanish (and probably others).

  * "public policy" = "políticas públicas"
  * "company policy" = "política da companhia"
  * "political campaign" = "campanha política"
  * "gender politics" = "políticas de gênero"
Re:U.S. Supreme Court Curbs Excessive Design Patent Damages by adrienne on Thursday December 08, 2016 @08:54PM (#13136053)
This is a very political (and ideological) definition of "politics". Excellent example of how definitions themselves are not, and cannot possibly be, apolitical!
Re:U.S. Supreme Court Curbs Excessive Design Patent Damages by Double_Cast on Friday December 09, 2016 @12:22AM (#13136850)
But is it inaccurate? Whatever its ideological biases, I nonetheless believe my definition is more accurate than "anything regarding the exchange of power or money". Such a wide definition includes the purchase of groceries. Yet a typical grocery purchase is hardly an illocutionary political statement.

More importantly, is it unproductive? I.e. would my threshing-method fail to reliably discriminate? I honestly believe my criterion is practical. Otherwise, I would not have made the suggestion. I challenge someone to find a case where the predicate returns a controvertible result.

Re:U.S. Supreme Court Curbs Excessive Design Patent Damages by zpallin on Wednesday December 14, 2016 @03:16PM (#13179285)
I learned another definition, that politics occurs when a group of people need to make a decision about something.