No Spanking, No Time-Out, No Problems

Re:No Spanking, No Time-Out, No Problems by tw04 on Sunday December 04, 2016 @06:55PM (#13102456)

I'm not sure why that would humble her. If she trained dogs, then she already knew 99% of the dogs out there with behavioral issues are a direct result of the owner. There are VERY rare circumstances where it's just a genetic defect (for lack of better term) in the dog, and it just has insurmountable issues. After fostering/owning roughly 75 dogs in my life, I can say 9 times out of 10 that consistency and discipline are lacking in households that have a "problem dog".

Ironically enough, the exact same consistency and discipline are pretty vital for a child as well. They need a little structure in their lives to feel secure. (No, I'm not talking helicopter parenting or scheduling every second of your child's day).

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Re:No Spanking, No Time-Out, No Problems by Analemma_ on Sunday December 04, 2016 @08:58PM (#13102907)

You are exhibiting the Just World fallacy. It makes you uncomfortable to believe that sometimes the universe is random and chaotic, and that sometimes there are dogs and children whose bad behavior really isn't the fault of their handlers, so you shield yourself with a dogmatic (no pun intended) belief that it's always someone's fault, even when the empirical evidence (like a crummy Chihuahua owned by a professional dog trainer) suggests the opposite.

Which is not to say that it's never the fault of the parents/owners. It probably is, the majority of the time. But to suggest that as a universal law, as you have done, is silly.

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Re:No Spanking, No Time-Out, No Problems by philh on Monday December 05, 2016 @06:00AM (#13104672)

> You are exhibiting the Just World fallacy. It makes you uncomfortable to believe... so you shield yourself...

This is bulverism. You haven't presented evidence that tw04 is wrong. You've just assumed they're wrong, and presented a condescending explanation for why.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulverism

And as they said, you're not actually disagreeing with them.

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Re:No Spanking, No Time-Out, No Problems by tw04 on Sunday December 04, 2016 @09:11PM (#13102946)

So you didn't bother to read my post? Because I never once said it never happens/is universal law. I said it is the majority of the time... you know, exactly what you just said.

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Re:No Spanking, No Time-Out, No Problems by maxxxxx on Sunday December 04, 2016 @09:29PM (#13103004)

You were not very precise with your numbers. You say "99%", "9 out of 10" and "very rare". To a lot of people these mean "negligibly small". With dog training, child rearing and most everything else in life you increase your chances for success by a lot if you follow certain rules. But let's not look down at the people who fail. It may be their fault or it may not be their fault.

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Re:No Spanking, No Time-Out, No Problems by geon on Monday December 05, 2016 @12:16AM (#13103531)

How are 99 % or 9/10 not precise numbers?

And "very rare" was a comment on "99 %", not a quantity on its own.

HN is the one place where I expect readers to interpret numbers literally.

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Re:No Spanking, No Time-Out, No Problems by hueving on Monday December 05, 2016 @05:57AM (#13104662)

Are 9/10 and 99% the same number to you?

Would you describe a random number generator outputting 5 when picking between 1 and 10 as "very rare"?

1/10 != 1/100 != "very rare"

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Re:No Spanking, No Time-Out, No Problems by geon on Tuesday December 06, 2016 @04:01AM (#13113221)

They are for separate things.

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Re:No Spanking, No Time-Out, No Problems by maxxxxx on Sunday December 04, 2016 @08:23PM (#13102771)

It humbled her because in the past she would have blamed the dog's behavior on the owner and she would have known exactly how to fix it. Now she has a dog that doesn't respond to her methods.

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Re:No Spanking, No Time-Out, No Problems by snowwrestler on Monday December 05, 2016 @04:09AM (#13104250)

The more likely explanation is that she is not properly applying her own methods, because it's harder to evaluate something that one is personally experiencing, as opposed to something happening to another person. The article even talks about this.

This is not unique to kids and pets. It is why even experienced athletes have coaches, for example.

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Re:No Spanking, No Time-Out, No Problems by jackmott on Sunday December 04, 2016 @08:07PM (#13102717)

9 out of 10 or 99 out of 100?

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Re:No Spanking, No Time-Out, No Problems by geon on Monday December 05, 2016 @12:20AM (#13103540)

99 % dogs, 9/10 children.

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Re:No Spanking, No Time-Out, No Problems by eanzenberg on Monday December 05, 2016 @01:16AM (#13103706)

9/10 dermatologists

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