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Re:Uber Now Tracks Passengers’ Locations Even After They’re ... by nojvek on Thursday December 01, 2016 @11:36PM (#13086054)
Well it's the same company that creepily gives me a code interview in the app because it knows I go to a software company couple of times a week and pushes a job ad.

Uber has a lot of sensitive information regarding users. Who goes where and when. This in the wrong hand can be very disastrous. E.g Trump to Uber: "gimme list of all people who to to mosques frequently. No tax for you." Uber: "Here you go. Just don't tell anyone. "

Re:Uber Now Tracks Passengers’ Locations Even After They’re ... by lbotos on Thursday December 01, 2016 @11:44PM (#13086094)
While I love this scenario from a "Trump could abuse his power" narrative, have there been any recorded cases of businesses in America getting "Secret" tax breaks? Seems like it'd be pretty hard to pull off with the IRS.

Sure, maybe they "Bundled" that data it in to some ~other~ lobbied tax deal, but I'd imagine someone would whistle blow that pretty quick in this post-snowden world?

Re:Uber Now Tracks Passengers’ Locations Even After They’re ... by abstrakraft on Thursday December 01, 2016 @11:48PM (#13086111)
>> Seems like it'd be pretty hard to pull off with the IRS.

Unless the IRS itself is the instrument of abuse: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy

Re:Uber Now Tracks Passengers’ Locations Even After They’re ... by hackuser on Friday December 02, 2016 @12:54AM (#13086387)
> have there been any recorded cases of businesses in America getting "Secret" tax breaks?

The tax law itself isn't secret, but companies certainly lobby for and receive tax breaks and other benefits passed openly by Congress. That's what lobbying is about, of course.

Re:Uber Now Tracks Passengers’ Locations Even After They’re ... by r00fus on Friday December 02, 2016 @02:23AM (#13086792)
Post-snowden? We all know about it but the power abuse still happens.
Re:Uber Now Tracks Passengers’ Locations Even After They’re ... by xapata on Friday December 02, 2016 @12:26AM (#13086261)
You do know that your phone company already has that info, right?
Re:Uber Now Tracks Passengers’ Locations Even After They’re ... by tedunangst on Friday December 02, 2016 @01:56AM (#13086697)
I've never had the phone company suggest I apply for a job there based on things they know about me.
Re:Uber Now Tracks Passengers’ Locations Even After They’re ... by 0xmohit on Friday December 02, 2016 @12:48AM (#13086360)
Your bank has information about your accounts. So it should be ok to make it public, right?
Re:Uber Now Tracks Passengers’ Locations Even After They’re ... by xapata on Friday December 02, 2016 @08:57AM (#13088543)
How did you make that leap? But, the card companies do sell your data in "aggregate". The phone companies as well.
Re:Uber Now Tracks Passengers’ Locations Even After They’re ... by jsemrau on Friday December 02, 2016 @12:51AM (#13086372)
In many countries around the world phone companies are highly regulated entities.
Re:Uber Now Tracks Passengers’ Locations Even After They’re ... by wallace_f on Friday December 02, 2016 @12:38AM (#13086299)
Fair point, however just because the phone company/NSA has this information, IMHO that doesn't make unnecessarily intrusive apps OK with me.
Re:Uber Now Tracks Passengers’ Locations Even After They’re ... by xapata on Friday December 02, 2016 @12:41AM (#13086315)
To each his own. In my view, the cat's out of the bag, so I might as well get a better product out of it.
Re:Uber Now Tracks Passengers’ Locations Even After They’re ... by wallace_f on Friday December 02, 2016 @01:07AM (#13086442)
Well, to me it's a problem. Here is an example of the kind of thing that is already happening: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20161130/09293036157/brook...

To me, if 1 is getting caught, it makes me question how many are not getting caught. Or are getting caught and let off the hook because the people around them won't hold them accountable.

If we continue to allow this, we're just going to expand the amount of abuse. And yes I know Uber is tracking location not access to your phone's mic.

Re:Uber Now Tracks Passengers’ Locations Even After They’re ... by xapata on Friday December 02, 2016 @09:33AM (#13088777)
Abuse of power is a serious problem. It's hard to imagine that more regulation would stop bad actors like that judge, since he's already breaking the law.

I can't think of a way to keep privacy technologically without sacrificing the modern conveniences I very much appreciate. Uber in particular has dramatically improved my lifestyle. Google Maps as well.

Experiments like justin.tv show one solution to the problem. Justin Kan, during those 8 months he broadcast his life, would not have feared a secret wiretap. It might be a couple decades more, but I expect that eventually it'll be normal to wear a camera on your face. When everyone broadcasts, surveillance is meaningless.

Re:Uber Now Tracks Passengers’ Locations Even After They’re ... by intended on Friday December 02, 2016 @02:42AM (#13086865)
by analogy: When your house is on fire, your normal response shouldnt be "well, lets burn the car too."

The usual response is to stop the fire.

Re:Uber Now Tracks Passengers’ Locations Even After They’re ... by xapata on Friday December 02, 2016 @08:58AM (#13088551)
I don't equate loss of privacy to a house fire. To be a good analogy, burning my car would need to be beneficial in some way.

I see what you're trying to get at, but I there's probably better way to make your point.

Re:Uber Now Tracks Passengers’ Locations Even After They’re ... by cowpig on Friday December 02, 2016 @12:58AM (#13086403)
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Re:Uber Now Tracks Passengers’ Locations Even After They’re ... by pg314 on Friday December 02, 2016 @02:53AM (#13086916)
As far as I know the location data a phone company has is not as fine-grained as GPS. But I agree with your point that a person's call data records are very sensitive information.
Re:Uber Now Tracks Passengers’ Locations Even After They’re ... by chris_wot on Friday December 02, 2016 @11:12AM (#13089761)
So what? They don't use that data for any other reason than for billing. If they do otherwise and they are found out it would be a PR and legal disaster of epic proportions!
Re:Uber Now Tracks Passengers’ Locations Even After They’re ... by pmiller2 on Thursday December 01, 2016 @11:57PM (#13086152)
Code interview in the app? What do you mean?
Re:Uber Now Tracks Passengers’ Locations Even After They’re ... by TAForObvReasons on Friday December 02, 2016 @12:00AM (#13086162)
Re:Uber Now Tracks Passengers’ Locations Even After They’re ... by kirykl on Friday December 02, 2016 @01:06AM (#13086436)
Sorry to disrupt your narrative but a theoretical action by Trump is worse than what's already happened under Obama?

http://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/477921/

Re:Uber Now Tracks Passengers’ Locations Even After They’re ... by magicalist on Friday December 02, 2016 @01:19AM (#13086503)
> During that time period, state and federal law enforcement requested information on 408 riders and 205 drivers. Uber, however, only fully complied with 32 percent of requests, while partially complying with 53 percent of requests.

Not exactly an epidemic.

Re:Uber Now Tracks Passengers’ Locations Even After They’re ... by kirykl on Friday December 02, 2016 @09:09AM (#13088620)
But that's not my point. My point is actual exploitation of Ubers data that's already happened, is worse than fear mongering politically biased hypotheticals
Re:Uber Now Tracks Passengers’ Locations Even After They’re ... by guelo on Friday December 02, 2016 @01:21AM (#13086518)
If you look at Uber's actual transparency report you'll see the feds only requested 65 records. The governments doing the mass data requests were mostly local, state, airports and courts: https://transparencyreport.uber.com/
Re:Uber Now Tracks Passengers’ Locations Even After They’re ... by EasyTiger_ on Friday December 02, 2016 @05:56AM (#13087639)
That's a dramatic and very silly example.
Re:Uber Now Tracks Passengers’ Locations Even After They’re ... by confounded on Friday December 02, 2016 @12:12AM (#13086213)
No tax break needed.
Re:Uber Now Tracks Passengers’ Locations Even After They’re ... by dec0dedab0de on Friday December 02, 2016 @01:32AM (#13086573)
i got one of those, it definitely creeped me out
Re:Uber Now Tracks Passengers’ Locations Even After They’re ... by orange_county on Friday December 02, 2016 @02:58AM (#13086945)
How come no one is throwing fuss about this for Google's foobar challenge? This is the same exact thing.

In today's time, we give up privacy for convenience. If you use a smart phone, Facebook, windows/google anything you are already giving up privacy. Stop pretending that 5 mins location monitoring is a big deal.

Re:Uber Now Tracks Passengers’ Locations Even After They’re ... by newscracker on Friday December 02, 2016 @04:33AM (#13087292)
> In today's time, we give up privacy for convenience. If you use a smart phone, Facebook, windows/google anything you are already giving up privacy. Stop pretending that 5 mins location monitoring is a big deal.

I find it quite disturbing to see ridiculous comments where one wrong is made right by pointing to other wrongs. We wouldn't need any laws or law enforcement if such logic were to be followed in every area of life.

"There are full body scanners at airports. Stop pretending that putting curtains at home is going to help."

"There are surveillance cameras in many places. Stop pretending that controlling the privacy of your personal photos really matters."

I'm sure I can imagine many other comebacks if I spend more time on this.

Re:Uber Now Tracks Passengers’ Locations Even After They’re ... by swyman on Friday December 02, 2016 @03:14AM (#13086997)
Stop pretending people can't decide for themselves how much privacy they want and from whom
Re:Uber Now Tracks Passengers’ Locations Even After They’re ... by orange_county on Friday December 02, 2016 @02:14PM (#13091405)
They can decide, they choose by not using the product.
Re:Uber Now Tracks Passengers’ Locations Even After They’re ... by BinaryIdiot on Friday December 02, 2016 @03:25AM (#13087027)
Hmm I got the Uber challenge quite frequently but I've never gotten this Google one. How do I find this?