Re:Fidel Castro has died
by IslaDeEncanta on Saturday November 26, 2016 @03:45AM
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You are ignorant of the reality of Cuban society. People have been able to leave Cuba freely since 1980. Cuba is a participatory democracy, with essentially every adult being involved. Internet access was not really a priority with the USSR collapsing and the recovery from that, but it is being quickly broadened. Only those who actively attempt to undermine the Cuban democracy are imprisoned, but people are free to vote for liberal candidates and a minority does. The average Cuban has a better standard of living than the average Oklahoman or Mississippian. Finally, the embargo is not just a ban on trading with Cuba; it's a ban on doing business with anyone who does business with Cuba. That effectively restricts 99% of multinationals from trading with Cuba.
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I've been to Havanna 4 times. The electricity always worked. The room we had at somebodys home had windows but they are not needed anyway. Its so hot there, all you need is some iron in front. Since 2013 at least some had internet and this year there were lots of people at the public wifi hot spots. Yes cuba is not rich and laks many goods but in all my time there in literally all parts of the country I saw nobody suffering on the basics. Absolutemly everbody has enough food, a rooftop, free basic healthcare and money for alcohol and basic pleasures.
It's not comperable to high european standards but I think it could be easily worse there.
Did I mention its secure there? There are no insecure areas to go or bad people to talk to.
> Only those who actively attempt to undermine the Cuban democracy are imprisoned
Re:Fidel Castro has died
by IslaDeEncanta on Saturday November 26, 2016 @01:11PM
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Did you know that if you try to overthrow the government of the United States you'll be arrested? Crazy stuff.
Did you know that people can overthrow the government of the United States every 4 years? They actually did a couple weeks ago, and noone had to die or go to prison.
They cannot. The US is not a direct democracy Swiss style
They did, and the world is steel reeling from announcement. There is now a huge change in political course following the election results, no matter how one tires to explain that away with nitpicking.
On Cuba, even suggesting change of leadership is enough to put you in prison.
the only thing they can change is the name of the "president" in the government. There is no way Americans can legally overthrow the government. Overthrowing governments by people is called revolution. This is what Castro did with his people in Cuba.
Re:Fidel Castro has died
by IslaDeEncanta on Saturday November 26, 2016 @10:16PM
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That's not remotely true about Cuba.
None of that is true. I've been to Havana; I've seen the buildings where 3 families are crammed into an apartment meant for one, where the windows are covered with cardboard because there's no glass, the electricity is on a few hours a day, where the concrete is crumbling so badly you could break it off with your fingers.
And I've seen just outside town the gorgeous villas with manicured gardens and water features, where members of the Party live. There's inequality in the West but nothing like there is in the "worker's paradise".
Re:Fidel Castro has died
by crdoconnor on Saturday November 26, 2016 @05:12AM
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Try working on minimum wage in London.
My first job in London in the 90s was £3/hr. But tell me more about this "minimum wage" - £7.50/hr isn't it?
Re:Fidel Castro has died
by crdoconnor on Saturday November 26, 2016 @09:09AM
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First tell me more about how much rent you paid in the early 90s.
There are legal, efficient ways out of poverty in the UK. There are none on Cuba.
Re:Fidel Castro has died
by IslaDeEncanta on Saturday November 26, 2016 @12:20PM
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Cubans do not live in poverty. There are neither rich nor poor. And if you think there's an "efficient" way to escape poverty in the UK, you've never been poor.
Cubans are poor, and even those who are better off (within Cuban legal bounds) still live miserable lives compared to an average UK poor.
Unlike the USA, the UK has efficient universal healthcare and access to quality education, plus working safety net for the citizens. It might not be easy to rise from the poverty, but it is possible and indeed, most Britons are doing OK.
As to your small personal dab, I grew up in a Communist country and am familiar with the package, don't need no lectures from guys in Che t-shirts.
Re:Fidel Castro has died
by throwaway-hn123 on Saturday November 26, 2016 @05:55AM
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I bet you've spent a lot of time in some of the estates in Tottenham, Harlesden or Haringey.
You went on a tourists' visit of poverty. Try doing the same in London, and let's see how you do there, bruv.
I have and the worst sink estate in London is nothing like as bad as Havana, at least not in terms of the physical infrastructure. Crime is probably worse in London.
And yes I am aware that as a tourist those are the bits I was allowed to see; I'll wager the "real" Cuba is far worse.
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When were you in Cuba?