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Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by imh on Thursday November 24, 2016 @05:09PM (#13033077)
You seem knowledgeable. Why can external currency changes (USD to bolivar) cause such strong inflation internally? I would think that at some point no one in the country can buy an iPhone, but how does that turn into no one being able to buy milk (or other essentials)? Do countries really rely so strongly on the international market for essentials?

edit: I could see a terrible scenario playing out where domestic goods are now so damned cheap for anyone not in the country that the producers are incentivised to ship their stuff overseas to rich foreigners. It could be the domenstic buyers that are the only people who get screwed. This is all terribly complicated.

Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by spikels on Thursday November 24, 2016 @05:31PM (#13033197)
In this case the devaluation is almost entirely driven by Venezuela specific issues. This can be clearly seen by the fact that the US dollar exchange rate is relatively stable versus almost every other currency while the Venezuelan currency is rapidly depreciating versus every other currency.

So you have it backwards. This almost entirely due to poor economic policies by the Venezuela, not something "external".

While the fall in oil prices has exacerbated the problem the core issue is the policy of plugging a huge budget deficit by printing Bolivars. This almost directly causes the huge local inflation and rapidly falling exchange rate as measured in the black market (i.e. the "true exchange rate). Combine this with strict currency controls (i.e. "fake" government set exchange rates that are not available to most people) you get shortages since Venezuela must import many essentials. [EDIT: And, as pointed out below, price controls are a key cause of the shortages.)

This situation while somewhat complex is a textbook example of these issues.

Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by ptaipale on Thursday November 24, 2016 @05:41PM (#13033253)
And in addition to deficit and currency controls, also price controls which have destroyed markets. Then you have a political police enforcing silly laws about companies will have to continue to produce something even when it is economically unfeasible. In the short term you get some physical deliverables like bread next week; in the long term you get a dysfunctional economy.
Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by foobarian on Thursday November 24, 2016 @10:05PM (#13034155)
This whole mess is causing us headaches at work, because some LatAm sales people requested a second exchange rate for Venezuela since the real one is so broken. But a lot of the code assumes a 1-1 country-currency mapping, so if we give in we'll end up with special cases for Venezuela everywhere... sigh.
Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by lokedhs on Thursday November 24, 2016 @11:58PM (#13034495)
Don't you have support for other types of non-national currencies like XAU (gold) and SDR (IMF special drawing right).

There are also other countries with multiple currencies. Like Zimbabwe that uses the USD and SAR as well as some others.

Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by kalleboo on Friday November 25, 2016 @03:23AM (#13035073)
There are also the situations where a country redenominates their currency and renames it in the process - e.g. the Mexican Peso went from MXP to MXN (the N standing for New). Zimbabwe has worked itself through ZWD, ZWN, ZWR, ZWL during various redenominations.
Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by foobarian on Friday November 25, 2016 @09:29AM (#13036917)
RMB and CNY are another one. Then there is the cent-less Japanese Yen...
Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by csomar on Thursday November 24, 2016 @07:11PM (#13033626)
Lived in a country with a similar effect albeit very very much lighter.

> but how does that turn into no one being able to buy milk (or other essentials)?

The problem is that these countries come with price controls for basic food. The food can be available on black market. The problem, it's much more expensive to produce than the current price tag on the controlled government market.

So there are two possibilities:

1. The industry goes bankrupt because of the laws. And I witnessed this first hand. I saw people and farmer throw away milk on the street. It makes no economical sense to produce at all.

2. Sell it on the Black market, or smuggle it outside of the country. This will depend on how strong is the local government on controlling borders and commerce.

Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by edblarney on Thursday November 24, 2016 @05:22PM (#13033151)
"Why can external currency changes (USD to bolivar) cause such strong inflation internally?"

Simply because 'most things' that are sold in Venezuela are either imported - or depend on imports.

The Bolivar is crashing against all currencies, not just the USD - so anything: parts, fuel, TV's, entertainment - it all has to be imported, and it all got expensive.

'Internal inflation' can happen when there are more Bolivars floating around than before - even without outside currency markets to validate the price.

Ex: if there are 1 Trillion Bolivars in existence, and the government simply prints '1 Trillion' more and dumps them on the market. Guess what happens to prices? They will basically double every where.

So your shoes that cost 100 Bolivars, now cost 200.

Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by imh on Thursday November 24, 2016 @05:36PM (#13033229)
I think the part I missed was why the solution to a crashing currency is to print more money. Let's say Venezuela cannot produce widgets, but they are necessary to modern living. Venezuela's currency drops in half, so now widgets are twice as expensive to a Venezuelan. Given a fixed exchange rate, as the government of Venezuela I could just double the amount of money all my people/companies have and everything would be fixed, but wouldn't that just lower the exchange rate again? Is there some lag in the market during which they can spend the new money at the old rate? At any rate, it's the Venezuelans and their corporations who need money. How does printing more money fix the issue of that poor citizen/company who is reliant on widgets?

It's becoming clearer, but I'm still confused.

Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by Symbiote on Thursday November 24, 2016 @05:56PM (#13033314)
The government has obligations in bolivars -- staff wages, pensions, payments to private businesses, and (in countries with trustworthy currencies) loan repayments etc.

They can print money to fulfil those obligations, effectively giving public sector staff a pay cut, pensioners a reduction in the value of their pension, etc.

Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by edblarney on Thursday November 24, 2016 @06:50PM (#13033540)
"They can print money to fulfil those obligations, "

Not really.

By 'printing money' they are simply 'taking value away from those already holding Bolivars'.

Printing money is just devaluing the Bolivars already in circulation - so you can think of it as a 'tax on cash'.

You can print paper, but you can't 'print' economic value and production.

Printing money to pay gov. employees is basically a 100% sign to everyone in the world that 'this economy is destroyed' - and that they should shut down all operations, cut their loses, get all their money out and exit in every way.

So it's a pretty bad signal.

Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by colechristensen on Thursday November 24, 2016 @07:15PM (#13033648)
You're exaggerating a little. Everybody prints money. It's what central banks do, it's what gold mines do. It's not a bad thing, it's how economies are managed. (completely free markets are a bad thing and anyone that tells you they aren't either doesn't have understanding of economics or is an extremist or both)

You can run a tightly managed economy successfully but it's hard. Very hard. Completely free markets are cruel but corrupt tightly managed economies are moreso. It also becomes difficult to determine the difference between a completely free economy and a corrupt managed economy because without regulation the former tends to concentrate power until it becomes effectively or actually the latter.

Sometimes the only thing for a collapsing economy to do _is_ print money. It's what a failing state will do to prevent itself from becoming a failed state. It's not sustainable but it's like falling off a mountain, you have to do _something_ and devaluing your currency to keep your economy somewhat functional can be the "right" thing to do for a while.

Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by edblarney on Thursday November 24, 2016 @09:04PM (#13033958)
"Sometimes the only thing for a collapsing economy to do _is_ print money. It's what a failing state will do to prevent itself from becoming a failed state. "

No, this is upside down.

Printing money to pay debts, salaries - is what a 'failing state' will do to absolutely guarantee they will fail.

Central banks don't print money - they trade bonds or other assets in exchange for currency, and they do so at a rate to allow monetary expansion as the economy grows.

Cynically, you could say 'government issues debt, which is bought by central bank in exchange for $' which is very much like printing money, but it's not quite.

And 'gold' ... the amount of gold is so small it doesn't really affect anything.

A 'failing state' needs to restore confidence in it's institutions in order to get out of the hole, the last thing it can do is print money willy nilly.

The anti-populist measure would be to cap/cut government salaries, 'de facto' default on bonds - this is obviously a bad signal, but not as bad as printing money. A 'quiet default' i.e. signalling that 'there is no way we can repay so you'd better negotiate with us' is the pragmatic thing to do.

Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by awongh on Friday November 25, 2016 @12:27AM (#13034574)
ah, interesting. My understanding of central bank practices was that 'government issues debt, which is bought by central bank in exchange for $' == printing money - but they are not synonymous?

So if you no longer have the paper trail of things being bought and sold, who keeps track/makes public the amount of currency in circulation in this case?

If simply printing more money is a bad signal, why not just keep it secret?

Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by colechristensen on Friday November 25, 2016 @01:37AM (#13034746)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractional-reserve_banking

There's a paper trail. It's just that when the Fed buys something the money is pulled from thin air. When the debt is paid back the principal returns to thin air, the profit goes to the US Treasury.

Not all government debt is purchased by the treasury though – it only does that in special circumstances to moderate the financial system. Most of is is purchased domestically and much of that by other pieces of government.

And you can't keep it secret. It's like supply and demand. More money means prices naturally raise because more people have more money to spend and will be willing to pay a higher price.

Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by edblarney on Friday November 25, 2016 @01:49AM (#13034780)
No - it's not 'printing money'.

Because government debt first has to be bought by someone on the open market, for some market-based price.

Only then can they go to the central bank.

The Central Bank does not buy from the Government.

But there's a systematic problem there I would admit.

Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by ufo on Thursday November 24, 2016 @07:15PM (#13033649)
You are arguing that they shouldn't print money to pay their obligations. You are right, but Venezuela still can print money to do that if they want to and that is precisely what they are doing now.
Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by Spooky23 on Thursday November 24, 2016 @08:38PM (#13033885)
Printing money is only a problem when it's combined with a loss of faith and credit.

It can be a useful technique to tax wealth and provide liquidity. (i.e. "Quantitative easing")

Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by edblarney on Friday November 25, 2016 @01:52AM (#13034788)
QE is pretty far from printing money, but admittedly, it's related.

But in any event: the US Fed, even their QE policies - are managed fairly intelligently. They're done in a manner that keeps the faith in the USD.

The USD because it's such a broad currency, gives a lot of opportunity for the Fed to do some crazy things.

Venezuela has a lot less 'wiggle room' - that said - small countries that act responsibly will do fine.

Sweden, Denmark etc..

Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by guard-of-terra on Thursday November 24, 2016 @05:43PM (#13033262)
It will allow country to pay its bills (i.e. wages).

Never mind that by paying their bills with freshly printed money they make all existing money cheaper.

Average Venezuelan can now buy less for their wage, but at least they've got some wage and it is stable or even grows number-wise. That's what makes this trap so dangerous.

Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by robryan on Thursday November 24, 2016 @05:58PM (#13033320)
It also allows the government to pay off non indexed debt issued in Bolivars.
Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by guard-of-terra on Thursday November 24, 2016 @06:08PM (#13033366)
It actually allows everyone to pay off their debts very quickly. People who bought a large apartment with mortgage in bolivars around 2012 might even get from all this situation with large profit, I presume.
Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by edblarney on Thursday November 24, 2016 @06:53PM (#13033549)
Nobody benefits in the long run. Nobody. Everyone loses when money printing happens.

What you pointed out - i.e. 'those holding property' - they don't 'benefit' - so much as their assets are in something that can't depreciate so quickly as currency.

If government prints massive bolivars - well - their houses go up by that amount proportionally. So they are somewhat 'insulated' from the inflation problems.

Now - because 'money printing' is a 100% signal of economic collapse, no 'asset' is going to save you at the end of the day, because as everything falls apart ... nobody has any money for anything, or rather, they have wads of worthless paper that nobody else wants ...

Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by aclsid on Thursday November 24, 2016 @07:52PM (#13033758)
I currently live in Venezuela and I'm lucky enough to work both with my own local business and with income in foreign currency. People like me are having a field day here, mostly because inflation does not affect you directly when you just keep rising the price of your goods/services. And as for the foreign currency you earn, it means that very quickly I was able to purchase a car and a house and pay off debt in a way that not even in my wildest dreams I would have done it.

The govt is definitely destroying the economy, but just like in war economies, some people would benefit while a lot more will suffer. In here, the people suffering are people that depend on a wage.

I have stopped complaining about it because there is no real political leadership anywhere willing to do what is necessary to fix it, so the party will keep going on until they cannot pay their international obligations and the whole thing will start falling under its own weight.

Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by mafribe on Friday November 25, 2016 @04:13AM (#13035303)
How long do you think it will take before "the whole thing" collapses? And what will come after the collapse?
Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by aclsid on Friday November 25, 2016 @10:42AM (#13037439)
The problem is that there won't be any collapse per se. Maybe a default on government paying its international debt or something.

What is slowly happening here is that this is morphing into another Cuba, where you will see the vast majority of the population earning these miserable wages, but they survive because of government subsidized food and services.

The worst part is that here the supply of such food is highly irregular so you see massive lines when people find out corn flour or whatever other product arrives at a store. But of course, if you have the means, you just buy whatever you want at market prices in certain stores and just avoid the whole thing. Prices that people living with a wage cannot afford.

So the real tragedy is this boiling frog effect. In 1989, there were massive riots because fuel prices increased, but now people are losing the will to fight for their rights, helped by lack of clear planning and leadership on the opposition. So I would say most people are just thinking of migrating somewhere else, Argentina and Chile especially, and frankly, I cannot blame them.

Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by Spooky23 on Thursday November 24, 2016 @08:47PM (#13033917)
Hard assets are always worth money. Real estate, durable machinery, etc. The inflation lets you erase the mortgages on them.

Many of the early backers of the Nazi regime were people who were able to get control of valuable industrial property and manufacturing equipment during the Weimar hyperinflation. Iirc, it's detailed in Albert Speer's book.

Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by edblarney on Thursday November 24, 2016 @09:08PM (#13033970)
"Hard assets are always worth money. Real estate, durable machinery, etc. The inflation lets you erase the mortgages on them."

Inflation reduces the value of things priced in the currency, so the 'mortgage' is a financial product and so is worthless.

But try this: who is going to lend money to anyone to buy a home when the mortgage will be worthless in a few months?

Nobody!

The financial/credit system collapses so there are no real long term gains really.

Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by Spooky23 on Thursday November 24, 2016 @09:28PM (#13034037)
My wording was awkward. If you start with a mortgage, and can hold on to the property or stuff through the crisis, you come out wealthy.
Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by edblarney on Thursday November 24, 2016 @11:41PM (#13034446)
Yup.

You become 'more wealthy than your peers'. But in reality, it's crap for everyone. You become 'much less wealthy relative to everyone outside the country'.

Depends on what one values :)

Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by guard-of-terra on Friday November 25, 2016 @04:15AM (#13035313)
You're country is probably going to rebound in ten years (mostly), but your personal assets aren't going away.
Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by aclsid on Thursday November 24, 2016 @09:53PM (#13034118)
Actually the banks are slowly realizing that. They have made it impossible to open new savings accounts for instance.
Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by sangnoir on Friday November 25, 2016 @06:29AM (#13035949)
> Inflation reduces the value of things priced in the currency, so the 'mortgage' is a financial product and so is worthless

Not true, the price will go up to track currency devaluation unless the price was pegged via contract or legislation. Even bread will see its price go up many times in day

Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by stale2002 on Thursday November 24, 2016 @07:30PM (#13033699)
It doesn't fix the problem. It just enriches the people who are printing the money.

The solution to Venezuela's problem is to produce more goods, either for internal use or to trade/export those goods, so that other goods can be imported.

Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by foota on Thursday November 24, 2016 @05:52PM (#13033298)
Consider that each dollar they print physically goes to someone, who can then spend it. The money trickles through the economy in this way, so for a while the people that receive it can use it to buy more good than they otherwise would have been able to.
Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by edblarney on Thursday November 24, 2016 @06:44PM (#13033508)
Listen - this is they key to understanding:

* You can print money, but you can't print value. *

The value of the goods in Venezueala are priced in Bolivars. Bolivars have a fixed quantity.

If you 2x the number of Bolivars by 'printing money', then all those goods go up 'as measured by Bolivars' by 2x.

This normalization happens very - very rapidly.

Why? Because everyone is watching what happens.

The moment the Government prints X Bolivars, banks, currency traders, exporters, businesses basically 'mark down' the value of the currency, or 'mark up' the value of their products by that amount.

Many small businesses won't have the sophistication to do this, but the effects of the 'big banks and companies' doing this will make it pretty fast.

The only time you can safely print money is if there is more economic activity - and the expansion of the economy requires more currency. If you 'print money' at the same rate the economy expands, you can actually hold prices roughly stable.

As for widgets:

Anything produced internally - services, some agriculture - Venezuelans do this by simply 'doing it' - like all other nations on planet earth. Organize themselves intelligently.

As far as 'needed imports' - yes - once a currency crashes this is really bad. It's like losing your drivers license when you need it to get to work. No driving = no income = everything else gets bad.

In the short run, it will be hard, they have to basically live at a lower standard of living and restructure.

Once they are stable, and outside entities 'trust them' then they can get good credit, they people will accept Bolivars as payment etc. etc..

Also - they have to produce something of value.

Think: what is a Bolivar worth to someone outside Venezueala? Absolutely nothing. Really - it's only worth something if ultimately they can buy something from Venezueal.

So - a currency held by someone outside the market is really like an IOU to that country. An American holding Bolivars basically has an IOU from the Venezuealan economy - that can be exchanged for 'something' later, but Venezuealans have to be able to produce something that the American would want. Like Oil, berries, coffee, or some service or manufactured good.

The problem in Venezueala is not economic - it's political. They have old-style populist 'crony socialism', in which the government takes over everything, they don't know how to run anything, everything is run into the ground, and to boot - it's super corrupt: government officials are looting the treasury by all sorts of means.

The underlying populism of South American brand of socialism is much different that Eastern Europe or Asia. The issue is that there is a small minority of 'white people' descended from Europeans who are educated, wordly, somewhat competent - who own and run everything - and then large numbers of indigenous people who are illiterate aboriginals - at least in Europe the peasants had skills and formed an economic base. In South America, they are barely out of the Amazon jungle in many cases.

Now this is a very, very crude generalization - there is a lot of 'in between' and obviously tons of aboriginals who are totally up to modern standards.

But by enlarge, it's kind of ethnic war. The metzo Aboriginals have the voting power - they put blow-hard army goons and bus drivers in charge, their elite peers are just as corrupt as the 'capitalist class' and this is what you get.

The only 'alternative' is basically the 'white ruling class crony capitalism' which really wasn't super good for social progress. They under-invested in education and services etc. and so they lose power.

It's a really, really difficult situation in so many ways.

Civilization takes a long time to build, and can be destroyed quickly.

Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by aclsid on Thursday November 24, 2016 @07:58PM (#13033772)
I think maybe you get that in Bolivia or Peru. Venezuela is vastly different in the "metzo aborigin" stuff you are talking about, whatever that is. The vast majority of the population is mestizo, that is brown if you want a better description, and since college education here is free, you do not have those clear racial divides you see somewhere else. Here we always say we don't have racism but classism, which based on your social standing, things will go very different for you.

In fact, one of the major leaders of the opposition is a mestizo who graduated from Harvard. Totally agree the current govt is a bunch of assholes, in fact, make Chavez look like a terrific ruler, but as far as the race stuff, no, this is not Africa.

Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by edblarney on Thursday November 24, 2016 @09:06PM (#13033967)
I know that it's different in every S. American state - but the fundamental divide is quite strong in most states.

Whiter = more power/status. Maybe not so much in Venezuela as in other places, but a better comparison would be Brazil or possibly Mexico.

Africa - it's black/white - not a lot of brown.

Mexico I think is 40% aboriginal 40% mixed to varying degrees and 10% white, and that's how the money/power is divided.

Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by aclsid on Thursday November 24, 2016 @09:49PM (#13034107)
Agreed. I heard there is a bunch of actual racism going on in Chile precisely for those reasons, but I guess it mostly happens at the upper echelons and with certain people with poor educational backgrounds.
Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by TwoBit on Friday November 25, 2016 @12:18AM (#13034548)
If the government prints 1 trillion bolivars, then it has effectively stolen half of everybody else's money in the country. The value of the bolivar is half of before, but it's now evenly split between the government and the people. So you can see why printing money is attractive to governments. It's like imposing a one time country-wide flat 50% tax on everybody, with no legislation required to do it.
Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by Spooky23 on Thursday November 24, 2016 @05:27PM (#13033175)
It's worse than that. Money is a store of value as well, a people will build in a price premium because the 200 bolivars will take another haircut.
Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by raattgift on Thursday November 24, 2016 @05:58PM (#13033321)
Your edit is very close.

"Imported inflation" listed as "2." under "Causes of Cost Push Inflation".

http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/2006/economics/cost-push-i...

However, it misses the other side-effect of imported inflation, namely the effect of substitution. If good or service A is imported but priced in a relatively appreciating currency, and service B is non-imported and priced in the local currency, the price of B drops, driving demand upwards. If B is also exported, the export markets seeing a relative drop in the value of the currency B is priced in will also buy more of B, further driving demand upwards.

Consequently, imports become more expensive even without a drop in demand. Exportable items (or even just substitutes for imports) become more expensive in response to increased demand.

A bit more here:

http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/1491/economics/imports-and...

Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by neffy on Thursday November 24, 2016 @05:29PM (#13033187)
It doesn't - the currency markets are just adjusting the relative price for supply and demand. The inflation itself is being caused by money printing. Their Government prints cash, M0 (expand out to Max to see it):

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/venezuela/money-supply-m0

And then the banking system multiplies it by f(reserve requirement) modulo any capital requirements:

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/venezuela/money-supply-m3

From the ratio of M0 to M3, most of the expansion is from M0, so the Basel capital controls are actually slowing down a runway hyperinflation - to some extent at least. Seems to start in 2012, so I would guess that they started money printing to cover civil service salaries when the oil price dropped, and haven't looked back.

Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by stevoski on Thursday November 24, 2016 @05:18PM (#13033127)
It's not just iPhones that get imported. Raw materials for plenty of goods need to be imported in modern economies. In Venezuela's case, an example might be cotton for making clothing. Or rubber for maintaining cars and other vehicles, (think brakes and tires). There are thousands of such examples.
Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by dwightgunning on Thursday November 24, 2016 @05:34PM (#13033220)
I recently read a HN comment that used their once booming oil industry to illustrate this fact.

They have vast amounts of accessible light crude oil but due to their currency they're struggling to purchase/maintain the machinery in order to efficiently extract/refine and monetise it.

Talk about a vicious cycle.

Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by Symbiote on Thursday November 24, 2016 @06:02PM (#13033337)
The less reliable your country, the less likely foreign businesses are to extend credit. If European and American companies, who probably manufacture the machinery, see the risk is too high, they will demand full payment upfront.

Venezuela can't pay for its banknotes: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-27/venezuela-...

Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by zeroer on Thursday November 24, 2016 @07:14PM (#13033639)
Printing Bolivars isn't profitable enough ...
Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by Spooky23 on Thursday November 24, 2016 @05:17PM (#13033121)
It doesn't cause it, it is an artifact of the imploding value of the currency and future outloook.

If I'm a guy with a cow and a gallon of milk is worth 1 boliviar today, but $0.80 tomorrow, I don't want your boliviar. I want a dollar, silver, 10 boliviars, or some bacon.

Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by tremols on Thursday November 24, 2016 @05:53PM (#13033304)
The problem is that Venezuela imports everything, the policies are very hostile to national production and there is a mafia with access to government sponsored dollars that profits from the whole situation without moving a finger, in other words, corruption that actually pyramids to all society: people enters the game by reselling scarce goods and believing in a cardboard opposition - that never delivers any concrete result - obviously linked to the government and its corruption mafia.
Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by huherto on Friday November 25, 2016 @02:28PM (#13039220)
It is driven by fear. If you have bolivars and you know it they will be worth half in a month what do you do ? You buy USDs, and you will pay any price for them. So people are desperate just trying to save their savings.

Sure. There are many fundamental economic problems. But it is fear that drives hyperinflation. And this is why it is hard to fix. Because even if you fix the fundamentals the fear will still create hyper-inflation.

Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by tasuki on Thursday November 24, 2016 @05:32PM (#13033200)
Wrt your edit, that's what happened during the Irish famine in the middle of the 19th century.
Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by stale2002 on Thursday November 24, 2016 @07:27PM (#13033691)
The reason is because, frankly, Venezuela doesn't have enough locally produced goods.

The currency stuff is just a symptom of genuine lack of supply of goods/wealth.

Re:Venezuela’s Currency Has Had its Biggest Monthly Collapse by qwrusz on Thursday November 24, 2016 @09:28PM (#13034039)
I see a lot of answers on here that are misleading or confusing. One problem with economics is it's really a bunch of made-up mind games related to social sciences, which in turn has led to all kinds of conspiracy theorists and cults even within more mainstream economics and some really crazy stuff at the fringes.

The topic of inflation seems to be particularly of interest to conspiracy theorists who all claim to know exactly why it happens, who is to blame and how to fix it (it often sounds like "Government blah blah blah gold standard"...). The truth is there are some strong, well-researched but ultimately incomplete explanations regarding inflation, but really nobody knows.

So here is my understanding of the best current guesses about the topic:

Ignoring the specific example of Venezuela for a second. At a basic theory level: Inflation in country A does not depend on external currencies nor does it matter how much country A imports or exports or if they trade at all.

Imagine a closed off country with no international currency exchange and no external trade. For some reason, it doesn't matter why really, citizens there expect prices for things to go up (maybe it's an island running out of space so landlords raise rents or maybe the government is increasing taxes or maybe everyone on the island is just really lazy wanting to sit on the island's beaches all day thus it is taking increasingly more $ to get anyone to get up and do anything one might need help with)...

The citizens expectation of future higher prices leads those in the economy who sell a product or service and who can charge more for it to do so immediately (as they prepare for future higher expenses they will soon face). Specifically, the producers of inelastic goods like farmers who grow food or oil companies will do better in this scenario than regular employees who suffer more as they can't get an increase in salary so easily. But really everyone starts to struggle.

Depending on how high prices are increasing, citizens may start soon switching to bartering and looking to store value in other ways other than their currency (like gold coins or magic the gathering card collecting, etc). Barter is not always possible and most landlords won't accept rent payment in the form of your magic card collection, not directly anyway. Where money is still used and accepted, people will try to get rid of any money they receive as soon as possible (as it's increasingly less valuable putting it in a savings account is bad). So people try to get their money into anything but a savings account and buy as quickly as possible something they need immediately or something that is a store of value. This is inflation and potentially hyperinflation without any international currency exchange or trade.

Now, where a country is able to engage in trade with other countries (for good and services or sell each other debt), this will influence the economy and inflation there. And depending too much on imports one can't be sure they can afford is very bad. But external currencies doesn't cause inflation, rather currency exchanges become a mirror to reflect a country's relative credit-worthiness and growth prospects, as well as any inconveniences connected to the fact people don't want or need another country's currency so where someone does accept foreign currency they must be compensated for the process, time and risk of getting payment in a form they do want.

The closed off simple economy thought experiment is quite useful and established, here is wiki link to the most basic version, one dude on island aka the Robinson Crusoe economy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robinson_Crusoe_economy