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Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by madeofpalk on Monday November 21, 2016 @05:05PM (#13009655)
Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by esotericsean on Monday November 21, 2016 @05:24PM (#13009793)
They're also moving towards everything wireless. I can't remember the last time I plugged my iPhone into my MBP. It syncs to iCloud and updates are all OTA.
Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by wtbob on Monday November 21, 2016 @09:11PM (#13011070)
> It syncs to iCloud

That sounds great if you want Apple to have all your data. But why do you?

Never mind that wires will always be better and more private than wireless.

Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by dpark on Monday November 21, 2016 @10:14PM (#13011341)
> Never mind that wires will always be better ... than wireless.

For some values of "better". For me, not plugging in and needing to carrying around wires is always better.

> and more private

Wireless can be secure and unencrypted wired transfers can be sniffed via the electromagnetic radiation they emit. This isn't as cut and dry as some like to pretend.

Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by vacri on Monday November 21, 2016 @11:29PM (#13011637)
Welcome to the difference between "in a security researcher's dreams" and "occurs frequently out in the real world".

I went to a security conference once where a presenter was telling me about a previous conf, where he was demonstrating a 'free wifi' box that snooped on all connections and pulled passwords out of them. He was demoing it on stage when the wifi went out in the other auditorium behind (also part of the sec conference). His magic little box then went berserk as huge amounts of security professionals at a security hacking conference then connected to it to try and re-establish their wifi. [1]

Compare this kind of story to the kind of setup you need to have to sniff EM radiation from a cat-5 cable.

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[1] The point of his story was that security professionals love to lecture others on correct tech use, but in reality the sec recommendations come so thick and fast that even the sec professionals don't keep up with them. How is a mere mortal to cope?

Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by dpark on Monday November 21, 2016 @11:45PM (#13011699)
I totally agree that in general, wired will beat wireless for security. After all, you can also encrypt your wired connections. I was merely pointing out that it's not a guarantee that wireless is worse. It can be secure.

The "better" argument was my bigger disagreement. Wired isn't "better" in any absolute terms. I'll happily use wireless rather than wired for the convenience of walking across my house with my laptop. Or, you know, actually using my cell phone.

Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by madeofpalk on Tuesday November 22, 2016 @04:20AM (#13012829)
I wish we had some sort of wired equivalent privacy for wifi.
Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by digi_owl on Tuesday November 22, 2016 @12:41AM (#13011892)
Yeah things are hitting the point where i ponder setting the router to disconnect on inactivity, to approximate the behavior of dialup.
Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by jlarocco on Monday November 21, 2016 @10:34PM (#13011415)
> For some values of "better". For me, not plugging in and needing to carrying around wires is always better.

Ha! I don't believe it for a second. The other day my iPhone went from 100% to dead in less than an hour - in airplane mode using only the music app and strava.

Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by dpark on Monday November 21, 2016 @10:47PM (#13011457)
This anecdote seems lacking value. I don't know why your phone died in an hour, but given that you claim to have been in airplane mode, I don't see how "wireless" is relevant.

Given that you were using Strava, I'd guess you killed your battery running GPS, but that doesn't mix with airplane mode.

Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by jacobush on Tuesday November 22, 2016 @04:09AM (#13012785)
I hear you. The first I do with anything Apple is to turn off everything cloud, Siri, whatever. Then sync phone with USB or (bleck!) iTunes WiFi sync.
Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by SiVal on Monday November 21, 2016 @07:11PM (#13010504)
My MacBook doesn't have its own data plan, so when I'm out and can't sponge off someone's free WiFi (or don't trust it), I tether my phone. It's a great thing to be able to do.

And if I'm in that situation (often: in a library, a school parking lot waiting for my kid's basketball practice to end, etc.) I'm stingy about battery power. I turn off the Mac's Wifi (which makes a big difference), and wire tether my phone.

Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by santaclaus on Monday November 21, 2016 @06:26PM (#13010261)
> I can't remember the last time I plugged my iPhone into my MBP.

Yesterday at an airport to charge my phone! But I haven't synched via a cable in ages.

Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by sooheon on Monday November 21, 2016 @11:55PM (#13011725)
If this is so true, they should have erred in the other direction. Made the cable plug into usb-c by default, and make the wall connector usb-c as well. Then people like you can just keep it plugged into the wall and sync by iCloud, and I can plug my phone into my damn laptop without buying a new cable.
Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by madeofpalk on Tuesday November 22, 2016 @04:25AM (#13012851)
It's worth pointing out that when iPhone 7 came out the only Mac product with USB C was the small little MacBook. It wouldn't make much sense overall to ship iPhone with a USB-C lightning cable.

I would not be surprised if the next iPhone came with a USB-C cable.

Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by Grishnakh on Tuesday November 22, 2016 @12:03AM (#13011752)
You're doing it wrong. Apple wants you to just sync with iCloud; if you want to do things differently than how Apple wants you to do things, then you're not a very good Apple customer. You need to stop trying to think different.
Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by ygjb-dupe on Monday November 21, 2016 @06:16PM (#13010196)
Yep, and that sure is nice if you are living in a country or region that has fast, cheap data.

I don't buy into enough of the eco system, but do Apple devices sharing an Apple ID to sync over LAN/WLAN instead of hitting icloud?

Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by eanzenberg on Monday November 21, 2016 @07:08PM (#13010486)
You dont need to use cellular data anywhere in this chain. You just need to be on the same wifi as the iphone
Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by legulere on Tuesday November 22, 2016 @06:35AM (#13013342)
Like the wireless keyboard, mouse and trackpad which you pair by connecting them to your computer with an USB-A to lightning cable, which is not possible with the current lineup of notebooks?
Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by gogopuppygogo on Monday November 21, 2016 @08:45PM (#13010946)
Good luck with that when iCloud corrupts. Always backup to a computer so you have a local copy of your phone for when fort Apple goes rotten.
Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by EpicEng on Monday November 21, 2016 @05:12PM (#13009697)
So, correct... until you buy a $20 cable which doesn't come with the damn phone or laptop. Yes, that is amazingly integrated and user friendly.
Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by madeofpalk on Monday November 21, 2016 @05:40PM (#13009917)
Right.

Sure, having to purchase an extra cable (after buying your $2000 laptop) might be fairly user-hostile, but the claim made was incorrect - there's not much arguing that.

This is all kind of mitigated by the fact that users's just don't plug iOS devices in computers anymore to transfer stuff - Spotify (and iCloud) has eliminated most need for that. If people are plugging them in, its to charge them (which is pretty important), but you can just use the power adapter IF you have one around.

Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by JustSomeNobody on Tuesday November 22, 2016 @08:39AM (#13013997)
I guess count me as an outlier. I still plug in to backup. I mean, why not? My computer, phone and cable are literally sitting right there next to me.
Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by ctrl-j on Monday November 21, 2016 @05:13PM (#13009715)
So, after dropping $3,000+ in the Apple ecosystem, another $20 must be spent to get two Apple devices to communicate.

But Microsoft and Google aren't as user friendly somehow?

Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by kimolas on Monday November 21, 2016 @05:32PM (#13009842)
No money is needed to get the devices to communicate, because the devices are no longer expected to communicate. iOS has been fully independent of macOS (to end-users) for half its life.
Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by biktor_gj on Monday November 21, 2016 @06:13PM (#13010174)
I'm sorry, but that's simply not true. Millions of iPhone users have been migrating their phones from 4, to 4s, to 5 or 5s up to the iPhone 7. They have all their photos since 2010 stored in there and have inherited all the crap from every single unexpected reboot, failure and app residues, building up gb's of 'other files' as shown in iTunes. Most of iPhone users have a 5Gb iCloud account where not even a whatsapp backup fits, and they still need a computer to migrate all the data. Tell me again how are you going to migrate a 64 or 128 gb of data from one phone to another without using USB. That, and the fact that you're still unable to put music inside an iPhone if you don't a) buy it from the app store or b) using iTunes
Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by evan_ on Monday November 21, 2016 @07:10PM (#13010497)
you can connect to itunes over wifi just fine, you can do everything you can do with USB except wirelessly
Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by madeofpalk on Monday November 21, 2016 @07:41PM (#13010640)
ahh haha come on. I mean, I never transfer data between iPhone and computer any more, but iTunes WiFi Sync just does not work nearly as reliably as it should.

It fails so frequently that it's just not able to be used.

Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by tomovo on Monday November 21, 2016 @07:34PM (#13010603)
Don't you first have to make a wired connection to enable this?
Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by soccerdave on Monday November 21, 2016 @07:40PM (#13010632)
Last time I checked it isn't possible to deploy from Xcode to an iPhone wirelessly
Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by tomovo on Monday November 21, 2016 @07:55PM (#13010729)
At some point it was but they scratched it.
Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by CountSessine on Monday November 21, 2016 @11:19PM (#13011589)
They have all their photos since 2010 stored in there and have inherited all the crap from every single unexpected reboot, failure and app residues, building up gb's of 'other files' as shown in iTunes

Meh. They should just copy their photos off their idevice using USB PTP mode. That's USB config 1 when an idevice plugs into a PC. No macOS required. No iTunes required. Done. Solved. As for the crap, isn't that an argument to NOT migrate via iTunes?

Most of iPhone users have a 5Gb iCloud account where not even a whatsapp backup fits, and they still need a computer to migrate all the data

ICloud storage is super cheap, especially compared to the price of a smartphone every 2 years. If you're not using this, you're cheating yourself out of one of the biggest advantages that iOS has over other computing platforms. iCould backup is the one thing in iCloud that really just works.

Plus there's dropbox. Solved.

But it still isn't strictly necessary.

That, and the fact that you're still unable to put music inside an iPhone if you don't a) buy it from the app store or b) using iTunes

Wat? Who still does this?

Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by robotresearcher on Monday November 21, 2016 @05:51PM (#13009995)
Also, they talk fine over WiFi, which is built into both. There's some Bluetooth stuff too, but I never figured that out.

But it's very important not to allow your iPhone to talk to your Mac because that means iTunes will run and make everything worse.

Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by nicky0 on Tuesday November 22, 2016 @02:34AM (#13012345)
Me: I need to charge my phone, I'll just plug it into this handy USB port on my Mac...

iTunes: Hello!

Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by castis on Monday November 21, 2016 @05:10PM (#13009678)
Does either the phone or laptop come with that cable?