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Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by esotericsean on Monday November 21, 2016 @05:24PM (#13009793)
They're also moving towards everything wireless. I can't remember the last time I plugged my iPhone into my MBP. It syncs to iCloud and updates are all OTA.
Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by wtbob on Monday November 21, 2016 @09:11PM (#13011070)
> It syncs to iCloud

That sounds great if you want Apple to have all your data. But why do you?

Never mind that wires will always be better and more private than wireless.

Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by dpark on Monday November 21, 2016 @10:14PM (#13011341)
> Never mind that wires will always be better ... than wireless.

For some values of "better". For me, not plugging in and needing to carrying around wires is always better.

> and more private

Wireless can be secure and unencrypted wired transfers can be sniffed via the electromagnetic radiation they emit. This isn't as cut and dry as some like to pretend.

Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by vacri on Monday November 21, 2016 @11:29PM (#13011637)
Welcome to the difference between "in a security researcher's dreams" and "occurs frequently out in the real world".

I went to a security conference once where a presenter was telling me about a previous conf, where he was demonstrating a 'free wifi' box that snooped on all connections and pulled passwords out of them. He was demoing it on stage when the wifi went out in the other auditorium behind (also part of the sec conference). His magic little box then went berserk as huge amounts of security professionals at a security hacking conference then connected to it to try and re-establish their wifi. [1]

Compare this kind of story to the kind of setup you need to have to sniff EM radiation from a cat-5 cable.

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[1] The point of his story was that security professionals love to lecture others on correct tech use, but in reality the sec recommendations come so thick and fast that even the sec professionals don't keep up with them. How is a mere mortal to cope?

Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by dpark on Monday November 21, 2016 @11:45PM (#13011699)
I totally agree that in general, wired will beat wireless for security. After all, you can also encrypt your wired connections. I was merely pointing out that it's not a guarantee that wireless is worse. It can be secure.

The "better" argument was my bigger disagreement. Wired isn't "better" in any absolute terms. I'll happily use wireless rather than wired for the convenience of walking across my house with my laptop. Or, you know, actually using my cell phone.

Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by madeofpalk on Tuesday November 22, 2016 @04:20AM (#13012829)
I wish we had some sort of wired equivalent privacy for wifi.
Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by digi_owl on Tuesday November 22, 2016 @12:41AM (#13011892)
Yeah things are hitting the point where i ponder setting the router to disconnect on inactivity, to approximate the behavior of dialup.
Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by jlarocco on Monday November 21, 2016 @10:34PM (#13011415)
> For some values of "better". For me, not plugging in and needing to carrying around wires is always better.

Ha! I don't believe it for a second. The other day my iPhone went from 100% to dead in less than an hour - in airplane mode using only the music app and strava.

Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by dpark on Monday November 21, 2016 @10:47PM (#13011457)
This anecdote seems lacking value. I don't know why your phone died in an hour, but given that you claim to have been in airplane mode, I don't see how "wireless" is relevant.

Given that you were using Strava, I'd guess you killed your battery running GPS, but that doesn't mix with airplane mode.

Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by jacobush on Tuesday November 22, 2016 @04:09AM (#13012785)
I hear you. The first I do with anything Apple is to turn off everything cloud, Siri, whatever. Then sync phone with USB or (bleck!) iTunes WiFi sync.
Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by SiVal on Monday November 21, 2016 @07:11PM (#13010504)
My MacBook doesn't have its own data plan, so when I'm out and can't sponge off someone's free WiFi (or don't trust it), I tether my phone. It's a great thing to be able to do.

And if I'm in that situation (often: in a library, a school parking lot waiting for my kid's basketball practice to end, etc.) I'm stingy about battery power. I turn off the Mac's Wifi (which makes a big difference), and wire tether my phone.

Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by santaclaus on Monday November 21, 2016 @06:26PM (#13010261)
> I can't remember the last time I plugged my iPhone into my MBP.

Yesterday at an airport to charge my phone! But I haven't synched via a cable in ages.

Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by sooheon on Monday November 21, 2016 @11:55PM (#13011725)
If this is so true, they should have erred in the other direction. Made the cable plug into usb-c by default, and make the wall connector usb-c as well. Then people like you can just keep it plugged into the wall and sync by iCloud, and I can plug my phone into my damn laptop without buying a new cable.
Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by madeofpalk on Tuesday November 22, 2016 @04:25AM (#13012851)
It's worth pointing out that when iPhone 7 came out the only Mac product with USB C was the small little MacBook. It wouldn't make much sense overall to ship iPhone with a USB-C lightning cable.

I would not be surprised if the next iPhone came with a USB-C cable.

Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by Grishnakh on Tuesday November 22, 2016 @12:03AM (#13011752)
You're doing it wrong. Apple wants you to just sync with iCloud; if you want to do things differently than how Apple wants you to do things, then you're not a very good Apple customer. You need to stop trying to think different.
Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by ygjb-dupe on Monday November 21, 2016 @06:16PM (#13010196)
Yep, and that sure is nice if you are living in a country or region that has fast, cheap data.

I don't buy into enough of the eco system, but do Apple devices sharing an Apple ID to sync over LAN/WLAN instead of hitting icloud?

Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by eanzenberg on Monday November 21, 2016 @07:08PM (#13010486)
You dont need to use cellular data anywhere in this chain. You just need to be on the same wifi as the iphone
Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by legulere on Tuesday November 22, 2016 @06:35AM (#13013342)
Like the wireless keyboard, mouse and trackpad which you pair by connecting them to your computer with an USB-A to lightning cable, which is not possible with the current lineup of notebooks?
Re:Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers by gogopuppygogo on Monday November 21, 2016 @08:45PM (#13010946)
Good luck with that when iCloud corrupts. Always backup to a computer so you have a local copy of your phone for when fort Apple goes rotten.