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Re:Voters Backed Donald Trump Because He ‘Just Got It,’ Says... by Scirra_Tom on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:13AM (#12930242)
I'm perplexed as to why Thiel backed Trump when Thiel is gay, and Trump/Pence seem to want to roll back a lot of hard fought rights won by the homosexual community.
Re:Voters Backed Donald Trump Because He ‘Just Got It,’ Says... by pmorici on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:23AM (#12930319)
"Trump/Pence seem to want to roll back a lot of hard fought rights won by the homosexual community"

I don't think there is much evidence for that. President Obama publicly stated his opposition to same sex marriage when he was running for president in 2008. The only reason it ended up being legalized nationwide was because of a supreme court case brought by a bunch of LGBT Republicans.

On that issue Trump has said, "The Supreme Court has issued an opinion on this. Same-sex marriage is an issue that should have been decided by the states." In other words he probably thinks same sex marriage is fine but didn't want to say so because he knows it's a polarizing issue. That's a more progressive position than _Obama_ took in 08.

Re:Voters Backed Donald Trump Because He ‘Just Got It,’ Says... by ceejayoz on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:26AM (#12930341)
I suspect you're right on Trump - he probably doesn't care much about gay marriage either way.

There's plenty of evidence Pence will be an issue, though.

http://time.com/4406337/mike-pence-gay-rights-lgbt-religious...

http://www.teenvogue.com/story/mike-pence-record-reproductiv...

Re:Voters Backed Donald Trump Because He ‘Just Got It,’ Says... by pmorici on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:33AM (#12930409)
True, Pence isn't a same-sex marriage supporter but he is also the Vice President. A position often described as having little to no power or authority.
Re:Voters Backed Donald Trump Because He ‘Just Got It,’ Says... by ceejayoz on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:35AM (#12930434)
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/07/politics/john-kasich-donald-tr...

> Kasich told CNN's Jake Tapper that he didn't receive a call himself. But he said one of his aides confirmed to him a New York Times report last month saying Donald Trump Jr. tried to entice Kasich with a position as the most powerful vice president in history -- putting him in charge of all domestic and foreign policy -- was accurate.

Re:Voters Backed Donald Trump Because He ‘Just Got It,’ Says... by disposition2 on Friday November 11, 2016 @10:31AM (#12931463)
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mike-pence-role-model-vice-pr...

Not to mention he (Pence) has stated Dick Chaney was his role model for being a Vice President.

Re:Voters Backed Donald Trump Because He ‘Just Got It,’ Says... by pmorici on Sunday November 13, 2016 @11:19PM (#12947538)
Re:Voters Backed Donald Trump Because He ‘Just Got It,’ Says... by JohnTHaller on Friday November 11, 2016 @09:39AM (#12930962)
Trump is planning to appoint Supreme Court justices to overturn the same sex marriage ruling. He said this in a January interview on Fox.
Re:Voters Backed Donald Trump Because He ‘Just Got It,’ Says... by pmorici on Friday November 11, 2016 @10:16AM (#12931327)
Even assuming he does appoint such a judge. The open seat right now was held by Antonin Scalia who was on the dissenting side of the Obergefell v. Hodges case. So it wouldn't changed the out come for that issue on the court.

Even if he got the opportunity to appoint a judge to replace one of the democratic appointments it would be very unlikely that the same sex marriage decision would ever be over turned. Roe v. Wade wasn't over turned despite the supreme court having a majority of Republican appointees for a long period between the original decision and present day.

Is Trump indifferent to LGBT issues? probably. But I just don't see much factual basis for the hysteria surrounding his election. If you believe the news, people are acting like he is going to round them up and put them in concentration camps or something. It just isn't reality.

Re:Voters Backed Donald Trump Because He ‘Just Got It,’ Says... by typon on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:20AM (#12930298)
Because rich people live a life so different than the average person you cannot possibly guess his motivations.
Re:Voters Backed Donald Trump Because He ‘Just Got It,’ Says... by smakrybust on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:20AM (#12930296)
I won't claim to know why, but when we discriminate in this country, you probably put race at the top. But we discriminate in this order:

  1. Wealth (that is, lack of)
  2. Education
  3. Race
  4. Gender
  5. Other stuff (appearance, sexual identity, etc)
I doubt a successful homosexual like Thiel feels terribly discriminated against. I'm guessing this because I work with a bunch of black physicians; they say they're all doing just fine.
Re:Voters Backed Donald Trump Because He ‘Just Got It,’ Says... by id on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:24AM (#12930322)
Ben Carson will also continue to do just fine.
Re:Voters Backed Donald Trump Because He ‘Just Got It,’ Says... by Lawtonfogle on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:51AM (#12930572)
I have to disagree with the list. How we discriminate can't be put in a list because it is different for different issues. For one example, consider that the legal system discriminate far more on gender than race. In some areas your list is close to accurate (I would definitely put mental health much higher), but in general a list is a poor data structure to represent how discrimination occurs. It also ignores interactions between groups.
Re:Voters Backed Donald Trump Because He ‘Just Got It,’ Says... by smakrybust on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:54AM (#12930591)
That's a fair point, and your remark about mental health is true (it might even be number one on this oversimplified list). I wasn't trying to be authoritative on the subject or list, but to present a general idea about who, practically-speaking, feels disenfranchised. Thiel, even if he was a fat, ugly, uneducated, transgendered black person, would still be one of the most advantaged people in the world.
Re:Voters Backed Donald Trump Because He ‘Just Got It,’ Says... by ceejayoz on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:28AM (#12930361)
> I'm guessing this because I work with a bunch of black physicians; they say they're all doing just fine.

What they say and what they feel may not be the same thing.

Re:Voters Backed Donald Trump Because He ‘Just Got It,’ Says... by smakrybust on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:35AM (#12930432)
Well they "seem" to be doing fine as well, so we're getting into some pretty dark territory (is that racist imagery?) to now imagine that they're suffering immensely inside and just putting on a painful show. One of them just won a "most eligible bachelor" competition in our predominantly-white city last year. Oh and I'm a hispanic physician (yes, we exist!), and I'm also doing great. No, I didn't vote for Trump.
Re:Voters Backed Donald Trump Because He ‘Just Got It,’ Says... by monkey88 on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:21AM (#12930302)
The URM often say that they are doing to those outside the community. You don't complain, unless you wnat to be branded a problem, a complainer, a whiner.
Re:Voters Backed Donald Trump Because He ‘Just Got It,’ Says... by smakrybust on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:30AM (#12930376)
True, but that's true in any organization and it's independent of any social class. Play along or you probably won't be a member much longer.
Re:Voters Backed Donald Trump Because He ‘Just Got It,’ Says... by avar on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:26AM (#12930344)
[Disclaimer: I didn't vote]

Why do you think Trump's particularly anti-gay? Here he is waiving around a rainbow flag (in a positive sense) at a rally just a couple of weeks ago: http://www.advocate.com/2016/10/31/donald-trump-waves-lgbt-r...

Re:Voters Backed Donald Trump Because He ‘Just Got It,’ Says... by mrgordon on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:36AM (#12930436)
Because he appointed Pence who believes in gay conversion therapy. And because his platform contains various mentions of rolling back LGBT rights.
Re:Voters Backed Donald Trump Because He ‘Just Got It,’ Says... by 551199 on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:35AM (#12930431)
This is a good example of people believing msm propaganda and not thinking themselves.

Trump has been advocate for gays from the 80's and supporting lgbt has been big part of his campaign.

Re:Voters Backed Donald Trump Because He ‘Just Got It,’ Says... by zimpenfish on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:40AM (#12930488)
Then why did he pick Pence - a actively virulent homophobe - as his VP?
Re:Voters Backed Donald Trump Because He ‘Just Got It,’ Says... by jrnichols on Friday November 11, 2016 @03:51PM (#12934217)
i think it's insurance, really. He's a lot safer in the White House with Pence as VP.
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Re:Voters Backed Donald Trump Because He ‘Just Got It,’ Says... by patates on Friday November 11, 2016 @09:55AM (#12931120)
Why are you picking on Muslims? Is there any religious group who support or at least are not against LGBTs? I also know a lot of gay Muslims (and Christians. and Jews.)

I personally don't like/understand religion, but spreading FUD is something totally different. Most of the religious wars seem to have happened because of people spreading fear, don't you think?

Re:Voters Backed Donald Trump Because He ‘Just Got It,’ Says... by zimpenfish on Friday November 11, 2016 @09:48AM (#12931046)
Even if she were, what relevance does that have to whether Trum p is "an advocate for the gays"?
Re:Voters Backed Donald Trump Because He ‘Just Got It,’ Says... by Scirra_Tom on Friday November 11, 2016 @02:56PM (#12933768)
Pence supports homosexual "cure therapy". This is barbaric, and quite frankly utterly revolting thing to have a VP support in the 21st century.
Re:Voters Backed Donald Trump Because He ‘Just Got It,’ Says... by mattgibson on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:22AM (#12930311)
A lot of the problems that an ordinary person would suffer cease to be an issue when you're worth $2.7B. I suspect that for Thiel, the loss of hard fought rights will not impact him very much personally. Marriage for example is not just symbolic, it also confers rights to a partner's pension contributions, their assets if they happen to die intestate etc. Thiel may be able to fill many of these gaps with expensive legal arrangements that others can't afford.
Re:Voters Backed Donald Trump Because He ‘Just Got It,’ Says... by JohnStrange on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:31AM (#12930379)
Just like Trump, he's too rich to care for or being able to understand any average person's concerns and worries about life, and this includes issues that have to do with sexual orientation like anything else.

It doesn't even have to be lack of empathy, it's just an complete lack of the experiences that people have in life who have to worry about paychecks, monthly bills, mortgage, insurance and education for the family, healthcare expenditures, etc. And no, no theoretical knowledge or education can replace actual experience, knowing the physics of how bikes work is not the same as knowing how to ride a bike.

People like Trump and Thiel are ignorants not in the pejorative but in the literal sense of the word.

Re:Voters Backed Donald Trump Because He ‘Just Got It,’ Says... by matwood on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:25AM (#12930330)
People vote on more than one issue. No candidate is perfect, and it just so happens we ended up with two this time that were both pretty bad. An NPR podcast noted that some polls have found that ~40% of registered democrats polled voted for Trump. For those people at least, renegotiating NAFTA or blocking the TPP was more important than Trumps vulgarities or letting states decide on other social issues.

At this point, I would rather to not see anything else about Trump on HN until something actually happens. But here I am, sucked in to comment...

Re:Voters Backed Donald Trump Because He ‘Just Got It,’ Says... by WalterSear on Friday November 11, 2016 @10:21AM (#12931365)
> An NPR podcast noted that some polls have found that ~40% of registered democrats polled voted for Trump.

No it didn't, and they didn't.

Re:Voters Backed Donald Trump Because He ‘Just Got It,’ Says... by matwood on Friday November 11, 2016 @10:26AM (#12931419)
http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/11/10/501...

Of Brigade's verified voters, 40 percent of registered Democrats pledged to vote for Trump.

I guess we can argue about wording or say the data is wrong, but this is what NPR said this morning.

Re:Voters Backed Donald Trump Because He ‘Just Got It,’ Says... by WalterSear on Friday November 11, 2016 @02:03PM (#12933323)
>Of Brigade's verified voters

Brigade is a billionaire's vanity project. It's userbase isn't representative of anything, and it's not a 'poll'.

Re:Voters Backed Donald Trump Because He ‘Just Got It,’ Says... by melling on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:31AM (#12930381)
Peter already explained himself.

Try listening to what he said at the convention. He has weighted America's future far more heavily than which bathroom people can use. At the same time, he was the first openly gay person to speak at the RNC. He's helping to roll the Republican party forward socially.

Re:Voters Backed Donald Trump Because He ‘Just Got It,’ Says... by nyolfen on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:30AM (#12930373)
trump didn't exactly campaign on rolling back gay rights, most americans are pretty solidly in favor of it at this point. as for why -- too early to say, probably.
Re:Voters Backed Donald Trump Because He ‘Just Got It,’ Says... by Melk on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:25AM (#12930329)
It's easy to want society to collapse when you're not a part of it.
Re:Voters Backed Donald Trump Because He ‘Just Got It,’ Says... by beedogs on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:15AM (#12930258)
Thiel can go get married in New Zealand if it gets bad enough in America. He simply does not care about the rest of us.