News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by actsasbuffoon on Friday November 11, 2016 @07:58AM (#12930153)
> Trump said terrible things and people voted for him because he said those terrible things.

I understand your frustration (I'm right there with you. I felt like a family member died after the election), but I think the statement I quoted is an exaggeration.

Trump had a few groups of people that helped him win the election. I'd break them into these groups:

* Traditional republican voters who didn't like much of what Trump said, but worried about liberal Supreme Court justices.

* White supremacists. Most Trump supporters weren't white supremacists, but most white supremacists were Trump supporters.

* People who feel that Washington is deeply corrupt and want to see the existing system torn down. Trump has pledged to introduce term limits for congress people, along with banning certain government employees from becoming lobbyists for a period of time.

* Working class people who liked Trump's trade policies. He's pledged to renegotiate certain trade deals in an attempt to lessen our trade deficit. That would make it less appealing to outsource jobs, which union workers found appealing.

I voted for Hillary, but I admit that I like his anti-corruption and trade deficit policies. Unfortunately I'm horrified by his policies on muslims, undocumented immigrants, etc.

Quite simply, people who think like you and me lost on Tuesday. We lost badly. We need to take some time to figure out where to go from here, because if we run the next election like this one, we will probably lose again.

We spent a lot of time being upset about the white supremacists who backed Trump. We didn't spend enough time addressing the concerns of union workers, anti-corruption advocates, and republicans who didn't like Trump. It probably cost us the election.

Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by bduerst on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:05AM (#12930189)
> I think the statement I quoted is an exaggeration.

But none of your points explain why. Trump said terrible things, that he would commit war crimes, restrict the first amendment, he won't respect the election if he loses. He's praised dictators, denied climate change, committed charity fraud, stiffed 800+ small businesses, walks in on underage girls changing and brags about it. He lies about something one day and deflects attention away to blame someone else when called out on it.

It's fascinating that he gets a pass on saying and doing these things. "It's an exaggeration." Personally, I think it's because he was a reality TV star. We expect celebrities to say and do ridiculous things, and then roll our eyes at it.

Except he's president now, and he isn't acting.

Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by actsasbuffoon on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:48AM (#12930550)
Oh, I agree that Trump's politics are horrifying. Since I identified 4 groups of Trump voters, I'll try to explain why I think they stuck with him, even though he said terrible things.

* Traditional republicans: A lot of them couldn't stand his rhetoric, but they're worried about the Supreme Court. I think a lot of these people felt horrible about voting for him, but they're playing the long game.

* White supremacists: They loved his rhetoric, so no explanation is required.

* Anti-corruption advocates: It might sound like a cop-out, but I'm blaming this one on the media. According to exit polls, 70% of people who thought both candidates were terrible ended up voting for Trump. I understand why a lot of people didn't like either of them, but this is a classic false equivalence. I think the media spent so much time talking about Hillary's emails that people started to think it was as bad as Trump's talk about nuking people, killing the families of suspected terrorists (war crime), bringing back torture (many troops won't like that), and so many other disqualifying things.

* Working class people: Despite being stalwart democratic voters (this election notwithstanding), many of these people aren't very liberal. LGBTQ rights aren't something they think about much, and I don't think they're big on feminism, environmentalism, or animal rights. They're worried about their jobs, the health of their unions, and off-shoring. Trump promised to punish companies for sending work to other countries, and to gut environmental regulations for the sake of creating new unionized gas/coal jobs.

Also, it's important to point out that voter turnout was terrible in this election. Trump got fewer votes than Mitt Romney did 4 years ago, but he won. Hillary severely underperformed Obama in almost every state. Roughly 50% of eligible voters exercised their constitutional right on Tuesday.

1 in 4 eligible voters went to the polls and voted for Trump, 1 in 4 voted for Hillary, and the other 2 didn't vote at all. That's the real story here. We failed to get people excited about voting for Hillary, so they stayed home.

Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by scaryspooky on Friday November 11, 2016 @10:23AM (#12931386)
Two minor points:

Trump got more votes than Romney: http://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/did-trump-actua... and http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/442086/donald-trumps-vo...

Clinton represents the status quo for corruption, as evidenced by the continuing questionable practices of the Clinton Foundation, and people who have been upset with the way politics work correctly and directly linked her with that behavior.

Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by notfromhere on Friday November 11, 2016 @11:06AM (#12931866)
How did voting for trump solve that when he's a coastal new yorker that bragged about buying political and is actively stuffing his cabinet with industry lobbyists?

Trump's call may have been about Washington corruption, but that doesn't mean anything is actually going to change.

Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by scaryspooky on Friday November 11, 2016 @11:31AM (#12932112)
Dunno, you'd have to ask someone who voted for Trump based on that issue what they expected he would do. I didn't vote for either of the two major party candidates.
Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by rayiner on Friday November 11, 2016 @11:58AM (#12932347)
Trump gets a pass on those things for the same reason HRC got a pass on voting for the Iraq war,[1] or why JFK is still a liberal icon,[2]: party affiliation overcomes almost everything else.

[1] The Iraq war was such a disaster, that when polled today the majority of Americans won't even admit that they supported the war in 2003: http://reason.com/poll/2014/10/16/poll-reveals-americans-sup....

[2] http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2096770/JFK-took-vir...

Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by Fjolsvith on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:13AM (#12930240)
> ... he won't respect the election if he loses.

You mean like all the people protesting against Trump?

Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by barretts on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:26AM (#12930337)
Don't be obtuse. College students painting banners is a far cry from a presidential candidate refusing to concede an election over imagined vote fraud. And there is a strong chance that's what Trump would have done.
Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by leereeves on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:40AM (#12930485)
Protestors are doing much worse than "painting banners". Like hanging and beheading an effigy of Trump [0]

~~0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kht_qNBXzbU~~ (wrong video)

0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpUvZLZ6axM

Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by justinschuh on Friday November 11, 2016 @09:46AM (#12931034)
That video was posted back in March, during the Republican primaries. I have no idea why you think it's related to the protests this week.
Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by leereeves on Friday November 11, 2016 @09:51AM (#12931075)
My mistake, I was searching for an independent video quickly and linked the wrong one. Thanks for pointing that out.

This is the incident from yesterday that I heard about and was searching for video of:

> Heads roll in the streets of Los Angeles as a large Donald Trump effigy was set on fire by protesters the day after he was elected president.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/11/10/donald-trump-e...

Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by reitanqild on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:45AM (#12930528)
> College students painting banners

If that was it then you were right. Even European newspapers who rooted for Clinton report looting and fires.

Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by scaryspooky on Friday November 11, 2016 @10:26AM (#12931415)
I will partially excuse the protestors for that because in any big protest you will always draw people looking for an opportunity to just do something bad. However, with people like Joe Stump advocating violence I cannot believe all of the violence isn't random bad actors.
Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by Fjolsvith on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:46AM (#12930533)
Concede? Like how Al Gore conceded? Yes, perhaps Trump would have challenged the results.

However, that won't be necessary, as Trump can now honestly attest that the elections aren't rigged.

Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by lowgman on Friday November 11, 2016 @11:20AM (#12932009)
I'm not sure if we can make that assertion, given the Deep State is safely ensconced regardless of which figurehead is offered up for our worship and ridicule. How does the old chestnut go, something about how if voting made a difference they wouldn't let us...
Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by serge2k on Friday November 11, 2016 @02:46PM (#12933682)
Al gore lost by margins that triggered automatic recounts.

Vs saying weeks before hand that the election is going to be rigged, I can only lose if it is rigged, etc...

Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by bduerst on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:23AM (#12930315)
> Deflecting

Peaceful protesters aren't presidential candidates threatening to not respect the vote.

How does that justify giving a pass to the terrible things Trump has said and done?

Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by MichaelBurge on Friday November 11, 2016 @09:50AM (#12931065)
It wouldn't justify Trump doing it, but I'm curious if you supported blackballing Al Gore after he contested the 2000 election with a lawsuit. I've heard a lot of people complain about the Supreme Court, but rarely complain about Al Gore himself for contesting.
Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by notfromhere on Friday November 11, 2016 @11:08AM (#12931884)
Al Gore contesting the Florida count with a 537 margin for victory is different than "if i don't win, it means its rigged"
Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by jmcmichael on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:45AM (#12930525)
These protests are more of the 'Fuck that guy!', and not the 'The elections were rigged, storm the White House!' kind that the right threatened.
Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by theandrewbailey on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:53AM (#12930588)
> Trump had a few groups of people that helped him win the election. I'd break them into these groups:

Don't forget:

* Minorities. Although Trump didn't win their vote outright, more minorities voted Republican this time than last. He even won the Hispanic vote in NYC.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/elections/e...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/20/donald-trump...

Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by akytt on Friday November 11, 2016 @09:22AM (#12930824)
As a bystander I think you lost because of political correctness. Declaring racism and biggotry and all those other things wrong does two things. Firstly, it makes it easy to ignore anyone expressing these thoughts. Because they are simply wrong. Secondly, it effectively hides any other view. You won't even know your colleague is a racist because he knows He cant say it. But political correctness will not change how people think. All of these people without a voice - the racist, biggots, sexists and the stupid - found a voice and voted for him. Guys, half of any population is statistically less smart than the other. You have apparently pissed off that other half and have to live with the consequences. In the land of the free it should be ok to be racist. As a society, you don't have to be but you cannot deny that racist idiot his right to be racist. He should not get his way but he should have the right to speak his mind.
Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by serge2k on Friday November 11, 2016 @02:48PM (#12933703)
> Guys, half of any population is statistically less smart than the other

But most are within a similar band.

Liberal arrogance again.

Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by padseeker on Friday November 11, 2016 @08:24AM (#12930325)
That is fair. I'll grant you that. I had concerns about Hillary.

And I can appreciate Trump's anti corruption policies. It will be very interesting to see if he does engage in a trade war, slapping tariffs on goods made outside the US. If he passed legislation about charging taxes on carried interest that too would be positive.

However I'm scared as all hell about everything else. If he does anything good that will be a minor miracle. He is a sociopath and a narcissist. His tax plan will blow a hole in the federal budget while maintaining entitlements. There was an article where he asked the generals "why cant we just nuke them" 3 times. It's going to be like Bush but a lot worse.

Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by padseeker on Friday November 11, 2016 @03:32PM (#12934058)
I hear what you are saying, and I agree with it. Thing is the aforementioned family member is not a hard core republican. I'd say more of a conservative democrat. She did not vote against a corrupt system. She voted because of racial resentment. And she wasn't all too happy about a woman president either, despite the fact that she is a woman.

Have you read said's response? I came to learn something, hoping to take something away. This guy said is a member of a different minority group resentful of African Americans overrepresentation in this country, and is an Indian. This is not an isolated incident for me so far, where I've heard from either a member of a minority group or a woman voted for Trump that has no substance, but rooted in resentment against another minority group. This is making me more depressed.

Maybe this is a couple of isolated incidents. But what I'm learning is only making me more depressed.

Re:I’m a Coastal Elite from the Midwest: The Real Bubble Is ... by atomi on Friday November 11, 2016 @01:32PM (#12933002)
> people who think like you and me lost on Tuesday. We lost badly.

As far as last count Hillary won the popular vote (though not by much). The election was very close at any rate.

Trump was just better at parroting and promising the things he heard from rural Americans. He listened to them. And he sold them on their own ideas and made them sound tenable. That's all there is to it.