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Re:Ask HN: Who is firing? by chrissnell on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @12:03AM (#12852150)
Back in the first dotcom bubble, we had FuckedCompany.com. It tracked these sorts of things on a daily basis.
Re:Ask HN: Who is firing? by malbs on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @12:13AM (#12852191)
Ahh FuckedCompany.com

I remember when I sat in an interview for a position at marchFIRST in Melbourne, Australia. And when it came time in the interview for them to ask "Have you got any questions for us?"

"Yeah, look this is kind of awkward, but I've seen marchFIRST mentioned quite a number of times on this website called fuckedcompany.com... Is that indicative of any issues I should be aware about?"

"Oh, don't worry about that, thats just our american parent company"

"Oh great"

So I accepted the offer, worked off-site for 3 months, and then marchFIRST went chapter 11.

Should have paid more attention to that damned website.

Re:Ask HN: Who is firing? by nwenzel on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @12:52AM (#12852341)
I worked at marchFirst back in the day. Even had the chance to meet Bob Bernard. That experience shaped how I run the company I co-founded 3 years ago. M1's number one problem was a culture of spending money without any thought of a return. Which was probably really odd for folks on the Whitman Hart side of the merger. It really was a merger of two opposite cultures.
Re:Ask HN: Who is firing? by feverishaaron on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @01:52AM (#12852589)
This extended back to USWeb/CKS. I might still have a shirt bragging about a $300M quarter (Though if you looked at the financials,we had something like a $50M loss).

It was like the Tres Comma club, but tackier.

Re:Ask HN: Who is firing? by 0xmohit on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @12:22AM (#12852239)
marchFIRST -- it even has a Wikipedia entry [0]!

  marchFIRST was a Nasdaq traded public company whose peak stock
  price reached $52. By the time the company filed for
  bankruptcy, it traded for pennies ($0.16 on March 28, 2001).
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MarchFirst
Re:Ask HN: Who is firing? by bbcbasic on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @01:51AM (#12852587)
> "Oh, don't worry about that, thats just our american parent company"

Translation: "don't worry about that, that's just the company you are applying for"

Re:Ask HN: Who is firing? by malbs on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @02:32AM (#12852724)
I was young and really wanted the job! It was easy to overlook the obvious
Re:Ask HN: Who is firing? by bbcbasic on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @03:00AM (#12852801)
I'm making fun of their gall more than anything else. I'd probably have overlooked that too when I was young.
Re:Ask HN: Who is firing? by willismichael on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @11:27AM (#12855743)
It's possible that you made the right decision - you were young, you got the job, you got experience on your resume.
Re:Ask HN: Who is firing? by Animats on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @12:44AM (#12852307)
I had Downside's Deathwatch, a simple automated cash flow analysis.[1] It's still up, frozen in time. All those "Chart is not available for this symbol" entries are dead.

In the first dot-com boom, many companies went public before profitability. So anyone could see how much cash they had and how fast they were burning through it. I just calculated how much time they had left until cash went to zero. That's the "death date" listed. It was embarrassingly accurate.

[1] http://www.downside.com/deathwatch.html

Re:Ask HN: Who is firing? by NicoJuicy on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @08:23AM (#12853947)
This is awesome ( i mean, there is beauty in the simplicity of it)

Any thoughts to share the code which you used to analyse edgar? :)

Re:Ask HN: Who is firing? by Animats on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @12:13PM (#12856357)
It's no longer useful. The SEC used to require an EX-27 schedule in SGML with useful data. They discontinued that around 2001. Years later, they started requiring that data in XBRL format, which is more detailed. You could do this today with XBRL tools, which are available.

Downside was written in Perl, in 1999. There's a system in there to parse financial statements written in HTML for humans, but it's for HTML 3.1 and was never updated.

I used to get hate mail from CFOs over this.

Re:Ask HN: Who is firing? by NicoJuicy on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @03:33PM (#12858481)
Well, if you have the code and an example file it would still be usefull ( as reference ). Thanks for the information!
Re:Ask HN: Who is firing? by unixhero on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @01:51AM (#12852586)

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Re:Ask HN: Who is firing? by ryandrake on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @12:14AM (#12852197)
One of my favorite sites back in the day! I remember checking it daily to make sure my employer wasn't there. Fun times! We seem to be missing that edge--that deep cynicism and unashamed negativity--this time around.
Re:Ask HN: Who is firing? by jdale27 on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @12:16AM (#12852210)
Well, as they say: "This time it's different!"
Re:Ask HN: Who is firing? by danieltillett on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @12:42AM (#12852294)
This time is different. Back in the dot com days the companies were public and so the day of reckoning came quickly. Today everyone is running on VC/PE/SWF money and so problems can be hidden for a long time.

Having said this until US interest rates rise or unless a white swan event occurs (I am Australian so all swans are black here) the music will keep playing and the everyone will keep dancing.

Re:Ask HN: Who is firing? by ryandrake on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @01:27AM (#12852479)
No doubt part of it is how these companies are funded. There's so much private money, and nobody knows what to do with it so it gets tossed at these hobby projects, and by some miracle one of them turns into a unicorn.

But there are other differences now too. You can't simply ridicule anything anymore. Back in 2000 we could point to a company trying to sell designer kitty litter on the Internet and laugh at how stupid it was and how greedy and full of hubris the founders were. Now, everyone's trying to "change the world" and empower everyone and "enable the sharing economy" and, well you can't criticize that without sounding like a big meanie. There are a lot of web sites out there that are simply never going to be businesses. They have their runway to burn through, and once it's done, they'll be blogging about Their Amazing Journey as they get acqui-hired. But when you point this out, you're just being negative--you're a jealous wantrepreneur.

Maybe this is an old-timer's "get off my lawn" rant, but I preferred it when it was OK to poke fun at things that you knew were ridiculous.

Re:Ask HN: Who is firing? by flukus on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @02:47AM (#12852768)
> Maybe this is an old-timer's "get off my lawn" rant, but I preferred it when it was OK to poke fun at things that you knew were ridiculous.

It came off as an old timers rant, but I still enjoyed it :)

Maybe we strayed a bit too far from the "greed is good" 80's. There's nothing wrong with starting a business to make money.

It's more pervasive than just dotcoms though. I see the same things we stuff like solar roadways or hyper loop is criticized.

Re:Ask HN: Who is firing? by soVeryTired on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @05:20AM (#12853189)
Too many people mistake skepticism for cynicism.
Re:Ask HN: Who is firing? by more_corn on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @01:15PM (#12857062)
Isn't the quote "This time... will be different!!!" And then when the corn kills him again and: "That's not different at all now, is it Steve?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TMOMTtAMBI

We are all Steve and this time will not be different.

Re:Ask HN: Who is firing? by jdale27 on Thursday November 03, 2016 @12:56AM (#12861697)
Uh, I wasn't familiar with that little tidbit of culture...

Rather, it was a reference to the fact that in the last few years, any time someone suggests that we might be in another tech bubble, there's always someone waiting to point out how "this time it's different", because now the web is mature and all the stupid startups are not really as stupid as they seem (not like in the first dot-com bubble).

Actually, it's a bit of a double entendre in that sense -- even the first dot-com bubble was rife with statements about how everything is different now, and we're in a "new economy" and all those "old economy" concepts like revenue and profit are totally obsolete. Plus ça change...

Re:Ask HN: Who is firing? by prawn on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @12:11AM (#12852177)
The creator of said site posts on HN from time to time, under pud. https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=pud
Re:Ask HN: Who is firing? by rnugent on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @03:06AM (#12852814)
Pud is Phil Kaplan. He made a few bucks on AdBright, got married and still hacks up wild ideas that mostly whiff. Plays the drums.
Re:Ask HN: Who is firing? by prawn on Thursday November 03, 2016 @12:47AM (#12861665)
Can only assume this is sarcasm or some definition of "whiff" I don't know. He's had FC, AdBright, TinyLetter and DistroKid - wish I had a track record that strong with my projects!
Re:Ask HN: Who is firing? by gspetr on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @12:35AM (#12852274)
I wonder why there isn't a new incarnation of it. Are people afraid of lawsuits?
Re:Ask HN: Who is firing? by eropple on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @12:39AM (#12852285)
I registered unicorngrill.com on a lark for exactly this, but I'm allergic to lawyers.
Re:Ask HN: Who is firing? by danieltillett on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @12:44AM (#12852305)
We need to see someone follow sci-hub.cc lead and put the server and public face in Russia.
Re:Ask HN: Who is firing? by gspetr on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @08:02AM (#12853825)
As luck would have it I'm Russian.

Do you think it would take off if I would do it for real?

Should we poll the community in an "Ask HN" thread to see if people want this?

Re:Ask HN: Who is firing? by tluyben2 on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @08:18AM (#12853916)
I would like it and wouldn't mind hosting it, but yeah FuckedCompany does have a better ring to it than the other names I see here. That might be nostalgia though.
Re:Ask HN: Who is firing? by danieltillett on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @08:39AM (#12854051)
I suspect there would be quite a lot of interest especially if you did not worry about upsetting lawyers.
Re:Ask HN: Who is firing? by FuNe on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @07:45AM (#12853745)
There is also glassdoor.com but it's not specially geared towards layoffs. But you can get a decent idea of how well a company does.
Re:Ask HN: Who is firing? by johnschrom on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @11:00AM (#12855430)
Glassdoor can be (and is) easily tainted by submitting fake positive reviews. They have a policy of not letting employers remove negative reviews, but that doesn't stop the company from flooding with "it's a fast-paced work environment, so some people clearly can't handle the heat in the kitchen" style "positive reviews" to reframe the legitimate negative ones.

So, it can sometimes be difficult to get a proper read on signal. However, it seems to be among the best data source out there.

Re:Ask HN: Who is firing? by driverdan on Friday November 04, 2016 @05:55PM (#12876481)
You have to appropriately weight the reviews. Some types of reviews tend to be heavy on negative, some positive. Glassdoor is the type of site you have to focus more on the negative reviews than the positive.
Re:Ask HN: Who is firing? by thrwwy315341 on Thursday November 03, 2016 @08:43AM (#12863479)
I've seen this happen. Some of my colleagues had written bad reviews for a company I had worked at. My employer found out eventually. They ended up flooding glassdoor with fake positive reviews, down to changing tone and typing style between posts to throw people off.

I would take glassdoor with a grain of salt.

Re:Ask HN: Who is firing? by imglorp on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @09:38AM (#12854508)
I love glassdoor. Sometime you see high level management on there giving frank plus and minus assessments of the business, often critical of higher levels. It's not just disgruntled departures but often current employees.
Re:Ask HN: Who is firing? by MichaelMoser123 on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @03:35AM (#12852894)
> Back in the first dotcom bubble, we had FuckedCompany.com

today there is https://www.thelayoff.com/ ; well, it is similar but not quite the same...

is useful if you are working for a company with a rich history of layoffs, it allows to check for recent rumors on the subject.

Re:Ask HN: Who is firing? by ud0 on Wednesday November 02, 2016 @09:50AM (#12854636)
is there a second bubble?