But where does that end? You could use that against line of reasoning against literally any political topic.
You could just as easily say, "I would definitely consider firing you for being pro-choice, because I do not believe my company should employ people who are tolerant of murder".
or "I would consider firing you for being Christian, because I do not believe my company should employ people who are tolerant of discrimination, judgement, and torture."
We have a two party system. Support doesn't indicate 100% alignment.
No it doesn't, since when does supporting a particular political candidate mean that you think they are the epitome of perfection? It simply means that you believe said candidate to be marginally better on the issues you care about, than the next most likely candidate to win the election.
It means at least you put other things at higher priority than discrimination, torture, and promotion of violence and hatred and you are willing to at least ignore those.
In my eyes, that's simply not acceptable. We aren't talking about economical policies or debate on tax laws here, we are talking about basic human decency.
We are all complicit in this madness. You should fire everyone and then fire yourself.
The killing of the U.S. national without trial was done due to such individual's action. There was no condemnation of violence toward a large group of people due to racism or sexism.
The world is obviously not perfect, but you can't use that as the basis of argument for "everything and everyone is just as bad as each other and things cannot possibly be worse".
The point is that there are legitimate reasons to support Trump over Hillary that don't involve someone being a racist, sexist, bigot. The world definitely isn't perfect and we have two (major) candidates to choose from that make a lot of reasonable people on both 'sides' existentially concerned about the future of the republic.
I agree with your concerns about Trump. I just think Hillary is even scarier, especially because a lot of the type of people who would protest and politically mobilize against the actions I think she might take support her.
Oh please... You're not being intellectually honest.
So according to you all points of view and agenda should be tolerated just because the line is blurry?
In practice the line has to be drawn somewhere. No other politicians I can think of in a Western Democracy actively and explicitly encourages hatred, racism, sexism and violence in the same way Donald Trump does.
Let me be clear, I do believe in everyone's right to first amendment. They should be able to exercise free speech without fear of government prosecution (as long as it doesn't violate Federal laws governing Hate Speeches).
But I also believe in any private party's right to completely disassociate and distance themselves from Mr.Trump and his supporters, including their employers.
"But I also believe in any private party's right to completely disassociate and distance themselves from Mr.Trump and his supporters, including their employers."
This is illegal. Highly illegal.
It's completely ok to fire someone over outrageous or offensive remarks or hate speech.
Billy Bush was literally just fired by NBC over the Trump tape. You can definitely be fired for openly promoting racism, sexism or violence, those are not protected by US labor laws.
First Amendment does not protect against private party actions either, they only ensure that the government cannot prosecute you.
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(mcducknbaos0ah55x204uumg))/...
California
The California Labor Code prohibits any employer policy: (1) limiting workers' participation in politics; (2) barring employees from becoming candidates for public office; (3) requiring workers to adhere to any particular political action/activity; or (4) "controlling or directing ... political activities or affiliations of employees." California law also prohibits adverse action against employees because of "lawful conduct occurring during nonworking hours away from the employer's premises." Given the apparent statutory/regulatory breadth of "political activity," California employers must be particularly careful in drafting policies. For further information, contact Holland & Knight lawyers Linda
Illinois
An employer is not permitted to maintain a record of employees’ off-the-job political activities. 820 Ill. Comp. Stat. §40/9. For further information, contact Holland & Knight attorney
Louisiana
State law expressly prohibits any employer policy which forbids or prevents employees from "engaging or participating in politics" or from becoming a candidate, and any policy that "controls or directs [employees'] political activities." Employers also are prohibited from threatening to discharge employees who "support or become affiliated with any particular political fashion or organization, or participate in political activities of any nature or character." Significantly, Louisiana law permits imprisonment for violations!
Massachusetts
Employers are prohibited from attempting to influence an employee to give or withhold an employee's vote or an employee's political contribution. Employers are also prohibited from taking an adverse employment action against an employee — or rewarding an employee through higher wages or favorable employment terms — because of the giving or withholding of a vote or a political contribution
New Jersey
State law prohibits employers from attempting to influence employees to vote or to not vote or to vote/not vote for any particular candidate, and from requiring workers to attend an employer-sponsored meeting or communicating about the employer's opinions about political matters (including party affiliations).
And more!!!
https://www.hklaw.com/publications/Hey-Take-It-Outside-Polit...
So no one can be fired for saying something on facebook? Go California, I hope everyone catches up.
Yes, you can't be fired for voting Republican. But you can absolutely be fired for inciting hatred and violence against minority or women.
Being a Trump support goes beyond a mere political stance.
> Unofficially, [Senator Joseph] Biden and [Senator Richard] Lugar said that, in the end of the day, they were not so much concerned with having a problem of this or that citizen solved as with showing to the American public that they do care for “human rights.” . . . In other words, the collocutors directly admitted that what is happening is a kind of a show, that they absolutely do not care for the fate of most so-called dissidents.
http://www.city-journal.org/html/hidden-history-evil-13281.h...
So a vote for Obama-Biden was a vote for someone who secretly collaborated with the KGB in repressing dissidents. Sounds like cause for firing to me. Granted, the KGB no longer exists. But do the Nazis? The KKK?
The good news: in the future, robots will do all the jobs. We can all fire each other for our historical and political sins, and spend our time worrying about the KGB, the Nazis and the KKK, while our Roombas peel grapes for us.
Plenty of things to knock Trump on but any comparison to Hitler is nonsensical.
True.
But then, after eight years of listening to my Republican friends compare Obama to Hitler and young black voters to the new Hitler Youth, maybe the jackboot deserves to be on the other foot for a while.
I mean, unless Hillary wins, then she gets to be Hitler.
Political discrimination has been proven illegal by the courts, and you would be absolutely wrong in the situation that you gave.
The trump supporters I know don't just tolerate his racism, sexism, homophobia, whatever, they endorse and agree with it. That's where I draw the line in terms of things I am OK with.
I don't want to live in a world with racism, sexism, whatever. I will gladly apply whatever pressure I have (mostly social, right now, maybe some day economic, but you know) to discourage people with those views from promoting them, in the hopes that eventually those views fade away.
(I don't even view that as a particularly brave act, by the way, to stand up and say "racism does not belong in the world and you need to stop"--I kinda view it as the bare minimum of what it means to be a decent person.)
If I were your employer, I would definitely consider firing you because I do not believe my company should employ people who are tolerant of racism, sexism, xenophobia, homophobia and political violence.
It's the same reason I would fire any employee who are openly in support of KKK or Nazi. Some people may argue that they disagree with Donald Trump on those things but support his policies. That's like saying it's ok for me to support Hitler because his economic recovery plan for Germany is sound, but I just disagree with the whole genocide business.
EDIT: I do believe in the First Amendment. As long as they don't violate Federal laws regarding hate speech to incite violence, Mr.Trump and his supporters should be allowed to exercise their free speech without fear of government prosecution.
However I am also for the right of any private party to distance and disassociate themselves from Mr.Trump and his supporters, including their employers.