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Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by dsacco on Monday October 17, 2016 @02:23PM (#12727730)
I agree with the thrust of your point - that organizations like YC should be allowed to uninvite or refuse to collaborate with people they are diametrically opposed to for political reasons.

However, I do not agree that it's fair to call an investor's competency into question due to their political views. I agree organizations have every right to not affiliate themselves with those investors, but in the real world there are plenty of examples of investors who hold controversial political views.

Logically, there is no a priori reason why "Thiel is a good investor." and "Thiel strongly endorses Trump." cannot both be true. To go further, I don't see an a priori reason why an investor with political views that are antagonistic to the industry he focuses on cannot be a very good investor. It might not be likely, but on its own I do not agree with using politics as a criterion for investing performance. That's silly - just look at investing performance directly.

To go even further, I think it would be disingenuous for groups like YC to announce they will distance themselves from investors they disagree with because "How could they be qualified investors if they hold this opinion?" That's masking the real reason for not affiliating with them, and in my opinion they shouldn't have to mask that anyway.

I also think using that sort of language establishes a precedent that makes the industry less inclusive to people with opposing political views. Much of the tech industry is progressive and liberal, but it would be ridiculous if this was applied to potential founders. Should founders who support SOPA or Trump not be admitted to YC if they are well into a startup that will most likely become the next Google?

Put another way, if you read Zero to One and you found it to be very insightful and full of legitimately good ideas, would you call it into question after learning that Thiel supports Trump? Doesn't that strike you as an ad hominem? Sure, Thiel's political views might be relevant or worth noting as an investor, but they certainly do not define his investment performance.

Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by threatofrain on Monday October 17, 2016 @02:36PM (#12727863)
SOPA is not a solely political affair; it has substantive intersections with the technology industry. Paul Graham simply talks as if he sees the economic / technological outcome of SOPA so clearly that anyone else who think otherwise either has contradictory interests or is ignorant.

I'm not commenting on whether Paul Graham is accurate or inaccurate, modest or arrogant, but I'm not surprised that someone of his position holds strong views on his pet predictors.

Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by e40 on Monday October 17, 2016 @03:37PM (#12728715)
However, I do not agree that it's fair to call an investor's competency into question due to their political views.

Even extreme ones? Can you brush everything Trump has done under political cover? I really think that's going too far.

Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by rm_-rf_slash on Monday October 17, 2016 @02:29PM (#12727805)
As to your final point: either the hypothetical founders do not have the support network from YC and simply cannot become the next Big Thing (and someone else at YC/SV does it instead), or they find a different support network - possibly in a different state or country - and the market hums along. It's not a great tragedy either way.
Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by sdenton4 on Monday October 17, 2016 @03:15PM (#12728334)
Having Thiel on the board is a statement that intolerance based on race, gender, or religion is tolerable by yc. This in turn chills applications from startups working on problems not relating to white western males.
Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by xupybd on Monday October 17, 2016 @03:38PM (#12728742)
Why is it okay to call out white western males, but to focus down on any other gender and race with a negative statement like that would be seen as intolerant?
Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by bbctol on Monday October 17, 2016 @04:27PM (#12729373)
What's negative about saying this would "chill applications from startups working on problems not relating to white western males'? If Thiel was supporting a candidate who was chauvinistically in favor of black women, it would be fine to worry about people from other backgrounds being excluded. But he isn't (in part because such a candidate doesn't exist.)
Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by xupybd on Monday October 17, 2016 @04:38PM (#12729505)
I guess my point is a bit of a straw man, but I'd expect backlash if someone did make a statement like "chill applications from startups working on problems not relating to black women".

This is probably just me making assumptions.

Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by st3v3r on Monday October 17, 2016 @03:45PM (#12728842)
Historical context.
Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by jshevek on Monday October 17, 2016 @04:09PM (#12729164)
Sadly, racists always find ways to rationalize their racism.
Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by grb423 on Monday October 17, 2016 @04:30PM (#12729404)
We will be finally able to concentrate on intersectional feminist theory and inclusion when all the fucking white racists are dead.
Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by findjashua on Monday October 17, 2016 @04:38PM (#12729501)
#allracesmatter /s
Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by xupybd on Monday October 17, 2016 @04:40PM (#12729522)
I know this is in jest but I honestly think the world would be a much better place if race was totally off the radar.

I'm not trying to say white males are victims but the more we draw racial lines the more we segregate our society.

Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by findjashua on Monday October 17, 2016 @04:53PM (#12729631)
I agree with your sentiment that society would be much better without racial segregation, but pretending it doesn't exist won't make it go away - the first step to fixing a problem is to acknowledge that it exists.
Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by bruceb on Monday October 17, 2016 @05:01PM (#12729712)
YC gets what 4k applications? You think founders are not going to apply to YC because of who Thiel gives money to?

Seems unlikely.

Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by ryandamm on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @03:35AM (#12732741)
All it takes is the next Google to decide not to apply, or to turn down their acceptance, to bend the return curve.

Check your priors.

Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by dredmorbius on Monday October 17, 2016 @05:51PM (#12730122)
People are known to take principled stands.

Which is what this conversation's about.

Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by bruceb on Monday October 17, 2016 @06:20PM (#12730334)
People do take stands but my reply was to:

> This in turn chills applications from startups working on problems not relating to white western males.

With the crush of applicants now I doubt more than a very few applicants are not going to apply because Thiel is on the board.

Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by morgante on Tuesday October 18, 2016 @08:28AM (#12733740)
I'd reconsider applying to YC based on this and would definitely not accept money from Thiel himself.
Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by ilostmykeys on Monday October 17, 2016 @04:29PM (#12729393)
You cannot be in a startup that is the next Google and be a supporter of someone who is a proven pathological liar and pu$$y grabbing sexual predator. That simply defies logic, if not the rules of common decency, and you need to be good at logic to be Google, or anyone (other than Trump)
Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by edanm on Monday October 17, 2016 @04:58PM (#12729676)
Well that's just a ridiculous claim. Are you literally saying that no (successful) startup has ever been founded by anyone who is a pathological liar and a sexual predator? I'd love for you to be right, but I really, really doubt it.

And as is often pointed out by women, sexually predatory behavior is much more common than most men realize. (not sure if you are a man or woman, but putting it out there for other people, mostly because I also tend to forget this point).

Re:Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions by ilostmykeys on Monday October 17, 2016 @05:04PM (#12729744)
You're being ludicrous. A million startups can be founded by pathological pu$$y grabing liars but that does not make them the next Google. Does Monsanto have pathological liars at the top, sure but they're not Google. To be Google you're head has to be screwed on right.