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Re:America’s Dazzling Tech Boom Has a Downside: Not Enough Jobs by majormajor on Thursday October 13, 2016 @01:14AM (#12698610)
I lived in new, modern, fairly-well-layed-out 330sqft and 450sqft apartments for four years, and you know what? It was fine, but you definitely get tired of it. I will gladly pay more to get more space. Things that can quickly make this even more urgent: pets, relationships, children, certain hobbies, a social circle that enjoys private get-togethers, working from home, etc.

I also find stuff makes me happier than experiences, so I realize I'm not representative of current fashionable lifestyles, but pretending everyone's the same or telling people "you shouldn't want that" isn't a practical policy solution.

(Or let's talk about medicine. Can we grow new livers, kidneys, etc, yet? How about when can we do it cheaply enough to easily be able to afford one for everyone who needs one?)

Re:America’s Dazzling Tech Boom Has a Downside: Not Enough Jobs by coldtea on Thursday October 13, 2016 @09:30AM (#12700609)
>I lived in new, modern, fairly-well-layed-out 330sqft and 450sqft apartments for four years, and you know what? It was fine, but you definitely get tired of it.

To put it in perspective, hundreds of millions of families of 4 and more live in non-well-layed out 330sqft and 450sqft apartments in the developing world, to which a couple or a family of 3 living in a fairly-well-layed-out apartment with our modern trimmings would seem like a dream.

Re:America’s Dazzling Tech Boom Has a Downside: Not Enough Jobs by justinator on Thursday October 13, 2016 @02:50AM (#12698984)
I also find stuff makes me happier than experiences, so I realize I'm not representative of current fashionable lifestyles,

Current fashionable lifestyles? The idea of earthly possessions not being the source of true happiness (and really being the reason for suffering) is as old as at least Buddhism. If you want just an American source, we're still talking Thoreau, here.

Re:America’s Dazzling Tech Boom Has a Downside: Not Enough Jobs by rimantas on Thursday October 13, 2016 @05:49AM (#12699571)
The idea may be old, that does not make it true.
Re:America’s Dazzling Tech Boom Has a Downside: Not Enough Jobs by Retric on Thursday October 13, 2016 @07:27AM (#12699929)
It is backed up by scientific research. With the exception that stuff which enables you to do something has a lot of value, however your 5th car is almost meaningless in terms of happyness. What's easy to forget is advertising is designed to push past that minimal stuff threshold.

http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2010/04/10/5-reliable-...

Re:America’s Dazzling Tech Boom Has a Downside: Not Enough Jobs by rimantas on Thursday October 13, 2016 @08:02AM (#12700114)
Well, recently I am taking any psych research with a saltmine. Also, "once you reach certain amount" is quite a disclaimer. Sure you often hear, that experiences not stuff makes you happier, however when the money is no longer a limitation you can afford much reacher experiences. E.g.: how remarkable it would be to visit space? How many can afford that?
Re:America’s Dazzling Tech Boom Has a Downside: Not Enough Jobs by Retric on Thursday October 13, 2016 @08:21AM (#12700213)
Money means you can do a wider range of things, but those things are different not nessisarily better. I don't think going to space would be all that much more interesting than going snorkeling coral reefs the first time.

Also, if you look at the lives of people that inherent lot's of money they tend to do the higher versions of the same kind of things. It's like throw a party with great music, vs throw a party with a live band when what makes a party fun is not the music it's the people there.

Re:America’s Dazzling Tech Boom Has a Downside: Not Enough Jobs by gerbilly on Thursday October 13, 2016 @08:37AM (#12700290)
This is true but it has to do with habituation more than the 'stuff' itself.[1]

People quickly become accustomed to any new positive thing introduced into their lives, make that the baseline and then start wanting something better.

The minimal stuff threshold is about survival and homeostasis, once that is achieved, anything beyond that does not produce lasting gains in happiness.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habituation

Re:America’s Dazzling Tech Boom Has a Downside: Not Enough Jobs by Retric on Thursday October 13, 2016 @09:52AM (#12700745)
It's more than just food and shelter.

Having a computer with internet connection can increase happiness. For example elderly that feel more connected with their families. The important thing is the minimum threshold is a computer, so a 200$ laptop can fill this need just as well as a 10,000$ laptop.

Further, in that case it's connecting to people that's bringing happiness not the physical device.

Re:America’s Dazzling Tech Boom Has a Downside: Not Enough Jobs by eloisant on Thursday October 13, 2016 @04:57AM (#12699378)
It might be old but it's more trendy than it used to be. In the 80's it was considered normal to want to get a big house with a big backyard, big car, etc.
Re:America’s Dazzling Tech Boom Has a Downside: Not Enough Jobs by TheCoelacanth on Thursday October 13, 2016 @10:37AM (#12701016)
It fine for you to have preferences about living space, but can you at least recognize that other people have different preferences and that their preferences shouldn't be outlawed any more than yours should?
Re:America’s Dazzling Tech Boom Has a Downside: Not Enough Jobs by majormajor on Thursday October 13, 2016 @11:53PM (#12706031)
Sure, just arguing against claims that it would be "easy" to solve housing, income equality, etc, if only we could kill the evil marketers etc and do with just what we "need." (Taking it to hyperbolic extremes there, but essentially while one can certainly be happy in small spaces, there are lots of things even beyond the simple accumulation of stuff that can take advantage of a lot more space.)
Re:America’s Dazzling Tech Boom Has a Downside: Not Enough Jobs by walshemj on Thursday October 13, 2016 @10:05AM (#12700819)
Seconded :-) as I am just starting PD dialysis