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Re:America’s Dazzling Tech Boom Has a Downside: Not Enough Jobs by Alex3917 on Wednesday October 12, 2016 @11:16PM (#12698188)
> Our problem is not that we can't make enough stuff for everyone to be happy, it's that we're still acting like that is the case.

The real issue is that the ruling class makes their money off capital. That's why Tiny Houses are banned in San Francisco and elsewhere. Because no one really needs more than 400 square feet of (well-designed) living space, but if people were allowed to buy houses and apartments that small then they wouldn't need to go into debt.

If the basic necessities of life become free then capital itself becomes devalued, so don't expect it to be an easy fight.

Re:America’s Dazzling Tech Boom Has a Downside: Not Enough Jobs by majormajor on Thursday October 13, 2016 @01:14AM (#12698610)
I lived in new, modern, fairly-well-layed-out 330sqft and 450sqft apartments for four years, and you know what? It was fine, but you definitely get tired of it. I will gladly pay more to get more space. Things that can quickly make this even more urgent: pets, relationships, children, certain hobbies, a social circle that enjoys private get-togethers, working from home, etc.

I also find stuff makes me happier than experiences, so I realize I'm not representative of current fashionable lifestyles, but pretending everyone's the same or telling people "you shouldn't want that" isn't a practical policy solution.

(Or let's talk about medicine. Can we grow new livers, kidneys, etc, yet? How about when can we do it cheaply enough to easily be able to afford one for everyone who needs one?)

Re:America’s Dazzling Tech Boom Has a Downside: Not Enough Jobs by coldtea on Thursday October 13, 2016 @09:30AM (#12700609)
>I lived in new, modern, fairly-well-layed-out 330sqft and 450sqft apartments for four years, and you know what? It was fine, but you definitely get tired of it.

To put it in perspective, hundreds of millions of families of 4 and more live in non-well-layed out 330sqft and 450sqft apartments in the developing world, to which a couple or a family of 3 living in a fairly-well-layed-out apartment with our modern trimmings would seem like a dream.

Re:America’s Dazzling Tech Boom Has a Downside: Not Enough Jobs by justinator on Thursday October 13, 2016 @02:50AM (#12698984)
I also find stuff makes me happier than experiences, so I realize I'm not representative of current fashionable lifestyles,

Current fashionable lifestyles? The idea of earthly possessions not being the source of true happiness (and really being the reason for suffering) is as old as at least Buddhism. If you want just an American source, we're still talking Thoreau, here.

Re:America’s Dazzling Tech Boom Has a Downside: Not Enough Jobs by rimantas on Thursday October 13, 2016 @05:49AM (#12699571)
The idea may be old, that does not make it true.
Re:America’s Dazzling Tech Boom Has a Downside: Not Enough Jobs by Retric on Thursday October 13, 2016 @07:27AM (#12699929)
It is backed up by scientific research. With the exception that stuff which enables you to do something has a lot of value, however your 5th car is almost meaningless in terms of happyness. What's easy to forget is advertising is designed to push past that minimal stuff threshold.

http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2010/04/10/5-reliable-...

Re:America’s Dazzling Tech Boom Has a Downside: Not Enough Jobs by rimantas on Thursday October 13, 2016 @08:02AM (#12700114)
Well, recently I am taking any psych research with a saltmine. Also, "once you reach certain amount" is quite a disclaimer. Sure you often hear, that experiences not stuff makes you happier, however when the money is no longer a limitation you can afford much reacher experiences. E.g.: how remarkable it would be to visit space? How many can afford that?
Re:America’s Dazzling Tech Boom Has a Downside: Not Enough Jobs by Retric on Thursday October 13, 2016 @08:21AM (#12700213)
Money means you can do a wider range of things, but those things are different not nessisarily better. I don't think going to space would be all that much more interesting than going snorkeling coral reefs the first time.

Also, if you look at the lives of people that inherent lot's of money they tend to do the higher versions of the same kind of things. It's like throw a party with great music, vs throw a party with a live band when what makes a party fun is not the music it's the people there.

Re:America’s Dazzling Tech Boom Has a Downside: Not Enough Jobs by gerbilly on Thursday October 13, 2016 @08:37AM (#12700290)
This is true but it has to do with habituation more than the 'stuff' itself.[1]

People quickly become accustomed to any new positive thing introduced into their lives, make that the baseline and then start wanting something better.

The minimal stuff threshold is about survival and homeostasis, once that is achieved, anything beyond that does not produce lasting gains in happiness.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habituation

Re:America’s Dazzling Tech Boom Has a Downside: Not Enough Jobs by Retric on Thursday October 13, 2016 @09:52AM (#12700745)
It's more than just food and shelter.

Having a computer with internet connection can increase happiness. For example elderly that feel more connected with their families. The important thing is the minimum threshold is a computer, so a 200$ laptop can fill this need just as well as a 10,000$ laptop.

Further, in that case it's connecting to people that's bringing happiness not the physical device.

Re:America’s Dazzling Tech Boom Has a Downside: Not Enough Jobs by eloisant on Thursday October 13, 2016 @04:57AM (#12699378)
It might be old but it's more trendy than it used to be. In the 80's it was considered normal to want to get a big house with a big backyard, big car, etc.
Re:America’s Dazzling Tech Boom Has a Downside: Not Enough Jobs by TheCoelacanth on Thursday October 13, 2016 @10:37AM (#12701016)
It fine for you to have preferences about living space, but can you at least recognize that other people have different preferences and that their preferences shouldn't be outlawed any more than yours should?
Re:America’s Dazzling Tech Boom Has a Downside: Not Enough Jobs by majormajor on Thursday October 13, 2016 @11:53PM (#12706031)
Sure, just arguing against claims that it would be "easy" to solve housing, income equality, etc, if only we could kill the evil marketers etc and do with just what we "need." (Taking it to hyperbolic extremes there, but essentially while one can certainly be happy in small spaces, there are lots of things even beyond the simple accumulation of stuff that can take advantage of a lot more space.)
Re:America’s Dazzling Tech Boom Has a Downside: Not Enough Jobs by walshemj on Thursday October 13, 2016 @10:05AM (#12700819)
Seconded :-) as I am just starting PD dialysis
Re:America’s Dazzling Tech Boom Has a Downside: Not Enough Jobs by mahyarm on Wednesday October 12, 2016 @11:27PM (#12698230)
It's called the studio apartment :D

NIMBY has many reasons behind it, and one of them is trying to increase housing values. Other things are guarding precious "free" parking spaces, being old and not liking change, or being afraid of changes effecting the quality of your children's school and other things.

Re:America’s Dazzling Tech Boom Has a Downside: Not Enough Jobs by shados on Thursday October 13, 2016 @08:57AM (#12700409)
the parking spot issue is real (I don't drive, but I can see people struggling with that every day). Adding too many units in an area plagued by grid lock can also be problematic and you have to add public transportation first.

My personal reason for being NIMBY is pretty simple though: I just want to sleep at night. and since municipal rules are hardly ever enforced in high density areas, I'll have to deal with kids screaming, idiot drunks trashing the place at 3 am, graffiti and people having parties at all hours of the night and day with the cops telling me to just deal with it because I live in a high density area. So when they try to build more on top, I'm like "Err, no".

I literally dont care if my property value dropped to zero, as long as I can sleep without needing earplugs. I already have to run the A/C or heat twice as much as I should because I can't open the windows without "enjoying" whatever activity my neighbors are doing that involve screaming on top of their lungs.

Besides, I live in one of the top 10 most densely populated neighborhoods in the country, and then people want to add more. ::shrugs::

In my home country this was not an issue because people could respect each other, and rules were enforced. In that case, build as much as you want in my backyard.

Re:America’s Dazzling Tech Boom Has a Downside: Not Enough Jobs by Grishnakh on Thursday October 13, 2016 @02:53PM (#12703120)
>In my home country this was not an issue because people could respect each other, and rules were enforced.

It sounds like you came from a nice, civilized country. Why then did you move to whatever 3rd-world hellhole you currently live in? It sounds like you'd be happier going back home.

Re:America’s Dazzling Tech Boom Has a Downside: Not Enough Jobs by shados on Friday October 14, 2016 @08:17PM (#12711996)
I did not know this when I originally moved, and now I managed to find a decent spot in the hellhole. When its harder to keep it nice than to move back, I will.
Re:America’s Dazzling Tech Boom Has a Downside: Not Enough Jobs by closeparen on Thursday October 13, 2016 @12:11AM (#12698362)
Uh, there are plenty of ways to get 400sqft or less living spaces in SF, just not as a freestanding structure (and tiny houses are kind of a waste when we could be building more tall stacks of several adjacent tiny apartments).
Re:America’s Dazzling Tech Boom Has a Downside: Not Enough Jobs by oldmanjay on Thursday October 13, 2016 @01:15AM (#12698613)
I'm sure the utopia of 400 sq ft filing cabinets will have us all looking back on these foolish times and wondering how we could be so blind.