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Re:Twitter Shares Slump After Report Says Google Won’t Make ... by zzalpha on Wednesday October 05, 2016 @11:42PM (#12650092)
Two words: revenue stream.

Where Facebook succeeded and Twitter failed was 1) building and growing a massive, highly engaged subscriber base, and then b) monetizing them.

The reality is, Twitter's DAU growth YoY has flat lined at around 300M while Facebook is nearly four times that and growing steadily.

Meanwhile, Twitter user engagement is somewhere around 3 minutes a day. Facebook? 10 times that.

The result: Twitter's ARPU is around $6. Facebook? Over double that, just north of $13 (both US numbers).

So while the media may love to mention them, my view is this is just a reality for the product. It's niche to begin with, and its focused on very small, bite-sized content that doesn't encourage prolonged engagement.

Re:Twitter Shares Slump After Report Says Google Won’t Make ... by chetanahuja on Thursday October 06, 2016 @02:55AM (#12650691)
Wait... Twitter has about 1/10 the engagement of FB but lags in revenue per user by only a factor of 2? I might be going crazy but it sure sounds like you're making an argument for specialness of twitter here.
Re:Twitter Shares Slump After Report Says Google Won’t Make ... by andruby on Thursday October 06, 2016 @10:28AM (#12652701)
Maybe.. I'm in a different mindset when using Twitter than FB. I use Twitter somewhat professionally, to discover new tools, learn things, follow people that are relevant to my work. I use FB purely for my private personal life.

When I see Twitter ads for SaaS offerings or software tools, I actually read them. On FB, I'm very good at completely ignoring the ads.

Re:Twitter Shares Slump After Report Says Google Won’t Make ... by bad_user on Thursday October 06, 2016 @12:12PM (#12653652)
That's precisely my experience. I've actually read Twitter ads because, what do you know, those ads are better targeted.

For all the data that Facebook is said to collect, they actually don't have much on me besides friends I barely know, pictures of my child, some political rants and jokes liked.

Twitter on the other hand has a list of people with which I share interests and they can do targeting based on that list. Which is exactly what they are doing and for me it worked. I'm actually amazed that they aren't doing better on paper.

Re:Twitter Shares Slump After Report Says Google Won’t Make ... by venomsnake on Thursday October 06, 2016 @03:57AM (#12650873)
Depends. If I spend 1 hour on FB - showing me 2 min of ads is easier. If I spend 6 minutes on twitter - with one minute of ads I am not only heavily monetized, but probably you are pushing my ad tolerance limits.

FB could easily double their ad content and still be usable. Is that true for twitter?

Re:Twitter Shares Slump After Report Says Google Won’t Make ... by bad_user on Thursday October 06, 2016 @12:18PM (#12653698)
Do you actually spend 1 hour per day on FB? And lets not include FB's messenger, since that doesn't count.

Seriously, what do you do for 1 hour per day?

And don't get me wrong, because I've seen some folks spending a lot of time on FB, I've got at least one family relative doing it, but those are the losers that are IMHO only worth targeting by soda and beer companies.

Re:Twitter Shares Slump After Report Says Google Won’t Make ... by venomsnake on Thursday October 06, 2016 @01:59PM (#12654582)
Messenger counts because I prefer to do my chatting on desktop on their website (preference to use keyboard sized for humans not chipmunks). Also you have to somehow fill the time between 9 and 5.
Re:Twitter Shares Slump After Report Says Google Won’t Make ... by _pmf_ on Thursday October 06, 2016 @02:22AM (#12650600)
> Where Facebook succeeded and Twitter failed was 1) building and growing a massive, highly engaged subscriber base, and then b) monetizing them.

Twitter only failed at b); its user base should be enough to generate a nice profit.

Re:Twitter Shares Slump After Report Says Google Won’t Make ... by Lxr on Thursday October 06, 2016 @05:31AM (#12651197)
So if I pay $13 a year to use Facebook they'll no longer need to collect my data for advertising?
Re:Twitter Shares Slump After Report Says Google Won’t Make ... by dragonwriter on Thursday October 06, 2016 @09:46AM (#12652376)
If setting up and maintaining both as supported and fee-based infrastructure had no costs to Facebook and didn't hurt their advertising revenue per ad-supported user, sure, that would be the case.

In the real world, first, setting up and maintaining such a system would have substantial initial and operating costs (and possibly engagement costs, as it would complicate the UX), and, as opt-outs feom advertising would tend to be weighted toward the wealthier, more valuable (to advertisers), users, it would drop per advertising revenue per remaining advertising-supported user. So the buyout cost would have to be substantially more to break even.

Re:Twitter Shares Slump After Report Says Google Won’t Make ... by mtmail on Thursday October 06, 2016 @06:59AM (#12651449)
I doubt it. You're paying cable television and still see ads. They'll always be companies willing to give Twitter money to be able to advertise to them.
Re:Twitter Shares Slump After Report Says Google Won’t Make ... by jmngomes on Thursday October 06, 2016 @10:02AM (#12652496)
But how much would cable cost if the individual channels didn't rely on advertising for profit?
Re:Twitter Shares Slump After Report Says Google Won’t Make ... by sjg007 on Thursday October 06, 2016 @03:03PM (#12655129)
They'll never do this.. it is way more profitable to keep your value opaque. The average user might be worth $13 but not you!